[Carpetsmoker]

> I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with Go and not involving the community, then they have to at least have these discussions.

Google hires many Go developers, hosts all the infrastructure, etc. They've been spending millions of dollars a year for the last decade or so on the project.

A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn't seem like much to ask for.

It's not even uncommon, but some people seem to see everything Google does as some plan for world domination shrug.

[danpalmer]

> A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn't seem like much to ask for.

As I said, I have on real opinion on this particular request. It's the culture that their response creates that is of concern to me.

A better response may have been:

"Thanks for the issue. We spent a long time talking about it and are sensitive to this concern, however it would be great to get more of an understanding of how the community feels about this. Let's leave this issue open as a place for discussion for a few weeks and revisit this once we've collected some more thoughts from the community"

Edit: this culture is not a right of the community, but it is a requirement for Google to legitimately call this "community driven". Again, not specific to this particular discussion.

[Carpetsmoker]

Is "the community" also going to foot the multi-million dollar bill? Or does "the community" simple expect Google to give free money asking nothing in return?

[amerine]

That’s not the OPs point, at all. Nobody disagrees with or does not appreciate Google for their Go support, OP (rightly, imo) calls out that it’s a bit disingenuous to call it a “community” when “internal” continues to get thrown about on relation to language decisions.

[Carpetsmoker]

A small logo in the bottom-right corner of the website is not a "language decision".

[amerine]

I would say that a community member disagreeing with the logo being there getting shutdown because of “internal” decisions is exactly a “language decision”. The “language” stewardship includes the spec, the code && the community, none of it exists in isolation.

FWIW, I’m totally 100% cool with the logo. Make it fucking huge and marquee that baby. I do think the way this issue went down is total trash tho.

[Carpetsmoker]

I don't know, I think a lot of people in the Go team are really tired of this whole "you never listen to the community!!!1!" line. Repeating the same discussion over and over again with random strangers on the internet gets ... very tired, very fast.

[RobLach]

> A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn't seem like much to ask for.

"ask for" is not what's happening.

What's happening is that Google had a private discussion about it and determined the issue should be squashed before it would be discussed in the public.

To that effect, I feel the suggestion to remove Google's branding would actually be disingenuous as Google has complete control over Go and you should volunteer your time knowing that.

[inflatableDodo]

>some people seem to see everything Google does as some plan for world domination

That would be foolish. At least some of the things that Google does are clearly just side-projects.