| > > They could only examine prima facie evidence, a much lower bar than guilty beyond reasonable doubt. > How low is that? Do you have some serious materials easy to read on this issue? This entry on Prima Facie may be helpful [1], though perhaps a bit light. On a related note, Hong Kong’s conviction rate is just 50% [2], so statistically speaking prima facie is a much lower bar than guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in Hong Kong. Moreover, one additional concern is that cases could be made-up for extradition, such as the case for Gui Minhai in the Causeway Bay Books disappearances [3], making it much easier to produce prima facie evidence for extradition. For a more relevant essay on the difference between Hong Kong’s and Chinese legal system especially on the issue of anti-extradition and the (lack of) independent jurisdiction, see [4] in Chinese. [1]: https://legaldictionary.net/prima-facie/ [2]: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/183380... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan... [4]: https://www.master-insight.com/內地法制難被接受：法院為何不敢做「無罪判決」/ > I think mainland people never deny Hong Kong's superiority on juridical system. Tourists would have a great interest knowing how it works and make Hong Kong a great success in business. However, it's superficial and hateful to propaganda just by focusing on familiar things and pretending nobody knows. Thanks for your opinion. There is no denying that the protestors could do better in conveying their message, but arguably their audience, the mainlanders, is so diverse that sometimes it is hard to satisfy everyone. But the protestors would try I think. > > a proper legal system and accountable democracy are the key to long term stability > Every sensible protester knows the importance of stability. But to get more support by propaganda, instead of taking it for granted, there's a lot to explain along the way between their behavior and the value both side shares. For certain group of people, it's not as obvious as the protesters see. Thanks for the words. Yes, even among protestors, there are values that is more obvious to some but less obvious to others, so your view is completely understandable. |