[sametmax]

Yes, times change. Now MS is not the top dog anymore, Amazon, Apple, Google and Facebook are all eating his lunch. There is competition. So they can't get away with acting like the old MS. The marketing people figured that out, and are just adjusting. Business as usual.

I've never seen a deeply flawed self-enclosed cultured turned into a sane one. I've seen ones change because they were so much injected with outside influenced. I've seen ones change because the core was alright, and it recognized the problem. But never have I seen a team of bullies sticking together and turn into good people.

However, I have seen plenty of them putting up a smile, getting some green paint on and buying a stairway to heaven.

It's a shame people keep falling for it though. That's why politicians can be crooked. That's why abusive relationships last. That's why you can pollute, use children workers and lie to customers: by the time you pay the price, it's a slap on the wrist compared to what you did, and earned from it.

Then you just say you changed, and people forget or forgive, let you keep the loot, and the right to carry on with your business.

[wayneftw]

> Now MS is not the top dog anymore, Amazon, Apple, Google and Facebook are all eating his lunch.

MS is one of the most valuable companies in the world, and regularly surpasses Apple, Amazon, Google and Facebook as the most valuable company in the world.

> I've never seen a deeply flawed self-enclosed cultured turned into a sane one.

I doubt that your definition of sanity is at all useful here. You're obviously not familiar with the core teams that comprise MS and you're not disseminating any information here that is even remotely useful.

I guess you're safe in the bubble here though where people think Windows is simply unusable because some of the control panel windows have a different dressing than other ones and that macOS is the best despite that it's missing the most basic window management features! Hah!!

[dvfjsdhgfv]

I doubt HN crowd at large cares about control panel settings that much. What's importan though is that for many years MS led a very violent campaign against their competition, including Linux and Open Source. It wasn't a one-time thing. It was year after year, with a strategy and tactics, some of it leaked in the Halloween Documents. These clearly showed that Microsoft is an equivalent of self-absorbed bully who doesn't really care about the benefit of their customers but just net profit. It's really hard to forget. So I'm sorry if some of us don't believe Nadella's smile.

[sametmax]

I don't need to disseminate any information, microsoft lying, insulting, cheating and corrupting for 20 years has been largely documented by the medias in the nineties.

If you were capable of reading at all at that time, it was one scandal every year.