[carno]

Ofc, but what better way to make the masses conscious than making them part of it. Also, why do you need the government to limit you before you do something?

- Do you need the government to start issuing flight hour quotas before you start flying less? - Do you need the government to ban short flights before you start using alternative transport methods more? - Do you need the government to impose a high meat tax before you start consuming less?

You can do both, you can start doing your part AND push for political action. Saying "this is meaningless" is just a justification to not do anything yourself and put the blame on someone else. An excuse for inactivity.

[shawnb576]

No, that's clearly not what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that people shouldn't do these things, I'm arguing that we should be clear about what they actually accomplish. I do all of these things, but I don't kid myself that it's making a lick of difference, because it's not.

The individual action idea is dangerous because it:

- Blames the victims. This problem is being caused by fossil-fuel companies and the policies that support them. We must stop them from emitting and from poisoning the public dialog on these issues

- It's classist and priveledged. Only rich people have these kinds of choices - poor people can't always make these kinds of choices in their lives.

The only solution is massive collective action that drives us towards a net-negative world.

I'd rather have somebody drive a Yukon and vote for people who will put in a Green New Deal than someone who eats vegan and votes for Jill Stein.