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by ketzo 2543 days ago
I see this argument so, so frequently -- that repugnant views need to be given a platform, that heinous and disgusting content must be allowed a space, so that everyone can see it and fight against it!

Since when the fuck is that how the internet works?

If Stormfront hosts a site on NFS.net, who do you think visits that site? Bright young progressives valiantly carrying a banner of social justice?

No. Fucking neo-Nazis visit the Stormfront website, because, and this is important, _it's a platform for fucking neo-Nazis_.

Christchurch. Charlottesville. Numerous terrorists have indicated very clearly that they were radicalized online. Why the fuck is it somehow your responsibility to provide these people a platform to spread their poison?

To end my rant, here's that ridiculous quote that always gets tossed around in these discussions:

> "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."

Actually, as it happens, the best disinfectant is a harsh chemical, and the most efficient policeman is a fucking policeman. The internet is not a place of light and exposure. It is a place where disgusting ideologies can hide, quietly attract followers, and conspire to murder people.

Consider how powerful that sunlight was the next time a right-wing terrorist screams about blood and soil while brandishing an AR.

I'm sorry the tone of this is so angry. NFS is a great service -- I just can't stand this pitiful justification for aiding radicalization and eventual violence. There is a line you can draw. It is up to you to draw it.

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> Christchurch. Charlottesville. Numerous terrorists have indicated very clearly that they were radicalized online. Why the fuck is it somehow your responsibility to provide these people a platform to spread their poison?

People can also be radicalized in person. Rallies, meetings, one-on-one conversations.

Does that mean we have to police everyone's personal lives and invade their privacy?

If "progressives" aren't visiting the website or doing anything to speak out against the website and it's content, it must not be important enough for them to warrant doing it.

Also, it's not a pitiful justification. It's a really good business move on their part. I assume NFS has seen in the past that larger webhosts don't/won't allow this type of content on their platform and are removing it because it's easier for their legal team/marketing/PR/etc.

NFS has filled the hole saying "hey, we'll support your right to free speech, even if you're offensive as all hell. We're just letting everyone know (including you) that we're donating all of the profits plus some to charities that actively fight against this type of culture since we don't agree with it."

They get good PR, they get the "woe is me, we're beaten and downtrodden from censorship" customers that keep getting removed from other platforms, and they can still be on their moral/ethical high horse by donating the proceeds to charity. NFS shouldn't be responsible for who goes to their website or the content on it. NFS's job is to host websites, not police them.

Where do you, personally, define the line though? And how do you ensure that line won't be changed to fight against you once your enemies are in power?
I could give you my answer, but it doesn't really matter (and anyway, I think it's kinda clear from my earlier comment) because I don't run a platform that could host any offensive content. NFS.net does -- and so I believe it's their responsibility to draw a line. It's a very, very hard problem, and there simply isn't one right answer, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give one at all.

You can't ensure that! At all! Which sucks! But that doesn't mean we should wring our hands and worry about "what if?" -- in fact, it only makes it MORE important that we resoundingly reject ideologies that would seek to abuse a line for nefarious, censorship-y purposes.

Maybe we make that part of our line...