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by moorhosj 2543 days ago
==We can form a union when we need to form a union.==

In my 35 years of life, it has become harder to start a union, so it isn't out of the question that it becomes harder and harder to start a union when software engineers "need to". There's no guarantee that what exists today will exist tomorrow.
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dymk 2543 days ago
I agree with that, but I don't agree with the underlying notion of us ever needing to unionize.

Do people actually think that software engineering is going to become a job that isn't skilled, and isn't sought after?

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moorhosj 2543 days ago
==Do people actually think that software engineering is going to become a job that isn't skilled, and isn't sought after?==

I'm not sure why you would be so sure it wouldn't. Are the software engineers of today truly that different from the machinists of yesterday?

If you believe in the free market, then it is elementary that more people will flood into these careers which will lower the wages and diminish the bargaining power of existing software engineers.

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dymk 2543 days ago
If your argument about it being elementary for people to flood into the career were true, then why have far older and desirable professions like law and medicine continued to be incredibly well paying?

Software is hard, humans have a hard time doing hard things, that's why we get paid more.

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moorhosj 2543 days ago
==then why have far older and desirable professions like law and medicine continued to be incredibly well paying?==

These are actually two perfect examples to illustrate my point. Both industries are represented by organizations that systematically make it harder for more people to enter the profession (AMA for medicine and Bar Association for legal). They have eschewed the free market in favor of regulatory capture in order to maintain their market advantage.

==Software is hard, humans have a hard time doing hard things, that's why we get paid more.==

Same could have been said of building cars and planes 50 years ago.

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dymk 2543 days ago
== Same could have been said of building cars and planes 50 years ago. ==

...and automotive and aerospace engineers are still paid quite well.

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Apocryphon 2542 days ago
Looks like they've got a union:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Professional_Engine...

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