[cybersnowflake]

The ugly truth is a lot of 'benefits' of the scandanavian approach come from a highly (for now) homogenous society and an extreme reluctance to imprison or even pursue certain crimes that would be unacceptable anywhere else. Combined with being caught hiding data such as demographic information I'd take any fellation of scandanavian policy with a grain of salt. I assume the community here considers themselves logically minded so just ask yourself this. If this approach is as miraculous as its put forth to be why hasn't it ever reached as widespread implementation not just in evil America but anywhere in the world? The concept of rehabilitative imprisonment is almost as old as imprisonment itself.

[NeedMoreTea]

Yet when similar approaches have been trialled in the UK, they worked just as well. When you consider the cost per year of imprisonment recidivism and rehabilitation should the main priority. Homogeneity is not required.

The whole "tough on crime" headlines and media campaigns in certain sections of the media, and certain shades of politics are the cause of much of our problem with overcrowded and brutal prisons. Tough sentencing does not work. It's been demonstrated decade after decade. It flies well for voters seeking vengeance. The same voters who'd probably bring back hanging tomorrow if there were a referendum. That's not justice.

[cybersnowflake]

Okay why hasn't this revolutionized the entire UK prison system and why haven't they bought yachts and luxurious hunting cabins for all their murderers and rapists if this is both drastically cheaper and more effective? Why hasn't this been adapted in the same way as fully anywhere in the world except Scandinavia? I mean officials do what they want when deciding not to execute or give elective surgery to felons or needles to druggies despite what the public thinks but this is a line they won't cross despite the supposed mountain of evidence? And its not like rehabilitation, even fairly generous rehabilitation isn't a concept thats been tried for centuries.

[DanBC]

> Okay why hasn't this revolutionized the entire UK prison system

But it is quietly revolutionising the UK prison system. We've had Conservative politicians saying that prisons don't work and that we need a different approach.

As with everything that got shelved because Brexit.

[imtringued]

Just read this HN thread. The people don't want less crime, they want more "justice". Especially the people that run those prisons.

[timoth3y]

> The ugly truth is a lot of 'benefits' of the scandanavian approach come from a highly (for now) homogenous society

Citation needed. This claim gets thrown around a lot, but is there any evidence or actual research backing the claim that diversity leads to crime?

There is plenty of evidence that disenfranchisement leads to crime, but you can have diversity without disenfranchisement.

[cybersnowflake]

Where are your citations that the Scandinavian style of relatively luxurious prisoner treatment is more effective? If we're going by correlations there's probably no more evidence for this than the correlation with homogeneous ordered societies. Probably less since you have like a couple datapoints exclusively in northern europe while the whole world tends to show a trend of imprisonment outcomes being better in nonbanana republics.

[timoth3y]

Since you don't have evidence, your "ugly truth" is really just your ugly opinion.