[barrkel]

Delphi and C++ Builder did well enough with high level UI logic.

C++'s problem is that the path of righteousness is too narrow, but with heavy cultural idioms and norms, you can keep a lot of the people safely hemmed in, while retaining all the escape hatches.

[pcwalton]

> with heavy cultural idioms and norms, you can keep a lot of the people safely hemmed in, while retaining all the escape hatches.

Empirically, no, you cannot. Nobody has succeeded at writing memory-safe C++ at scale using normal software development practices.

[barrkel]

You're overstretching my claim, but I'm not going to press the issue. I want C and C++ replaced just as much as you.