[FranzFerdiNaN]

"Meanwhile, none of the truly advanced R users I encounter use the Tidyverse."

This is most likely because truly advanced R users have been using R since far before the Tidyverse existed. A whole new generation of R users is being brought up with the Tidyverse, so im curious to see how the situation will be in 10 years time.

[mespe]

This is not entirely true - many are of the same "generation" as me. To be clear, I don't actually consider myself an advanced user. To me, many of these advanced users are pushing against the limits of the language in a way you don't see with run of the mill data science.

That said, I have heard my mentor say "I don't get the point of <insert tidyverse function> - I did this 20 years ago."

[kkoncevicius]

> That said, I have heard my mentor say "I don't get the point of <insert tidyverse function> - I did this 20 years ago."

Tidyverse has a tendency to promote "new" things without any references to what came before. If you listen to their talks they speak as if they invented functional programming and the idea of pure and tiny functions working together.

And it trickles down to the users. A lot of people who learned tidyverse first for example, praise the `purrr` package, but have no idea that something like `Map()` is in base R.