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by vmarius 2544 days ago
It is better than nothing, but is not scalable. We at nothing_here building a tool which will help fight loneliness online. (I have removed the link, not really trying to sell anything to anyone)
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Humans talking to other humans in the local area and doing things together exists all over the world and has done since the dawn of time, what part of it isn't scalable?
Thanks furi, good point. Humans indeed talked to each other and have done things together since the dawn of time. But the problem is that our way of living has changed significantly during recent years.

Most of the people simply don't have the possibility to gather around and talk about their life/problems. It is becoming a luxury to have a live talk with a real person.

I am sure that the above mentioned organization is doing great job helping people, but the answer to your question why it is not scalable is that such approach can help only to a very limited amount of people. Why ?

Because: - meeting in person is not always possible - meeting in persion is not always desirable - it is limited only to local areas

The fact that you see real-life interaction with other people in any meaningful way as a luxury or even possibly undesirable is so incredibly problematic (to an almost pathological degree) that I am genuinely worried for you.
1) Not always possible? Attack the reason why. It's often either work or study, which can be changed given enough political pressure, or kids, which sometimes can be included, sometimes not

2) Undesirable? Please elaborate.

3) Transportation widens local for the rich to a wide area for few day trips, which is a scheduling problem. For a day trip, mark a circle with 8h travel diameter. It is relatively far, yet here we are, anonymous in cities.

1) physically impossible - large distances, time consuming, fear

2) it is hard to discuss many (if not most) personal issues in personal or in group meetings. Suicidal thoughts, depression, life advice - you cannot simply go out there and discuss all these during your first/tenth meeting with a person in private.

You probably want to emphasize what you bring to the table, and de emphasize what other approaches are not.

This discussion started not because your product idea is bad, but rather because your pitch included trying to tell us that what this Danish group has been doing is not scalable, even though they are doing it since decades with great success. This felt like saying it is somehow the wrong approach.

I think you can add to society with such a chat app, but there is a lot of indication that quality personal interaction is superior, and there are many many groups, even anonymous consulting etc, who have tackled these issues for decades! That clearly is scale, look at AA.

For example, one may also say that non anonymous and close connections, the opposite of what you offer in your app, is precisely the point of this Danish initiative, and your app really targets different issues. In that view, your comment seemed rather flippant. When pitching your app, you probably avoid seeming ignorant of the actual issue at stake.

Best of luck to you

Good on you, but i think chat apps are not the solution.

For physical and mental health, we need real face to face connections, in person and not online. Young people use many chat apps and even topic based groups and sites, set depression and health problems keep increasing.

The more we are in front of a screen, the harder it is to actually be with others. And this is what we need as humans.

Don't you think human evolve and modern human might evolve to not need or need less face to face connection anymore for physical and mental health.
Evolution probably would take a long time, longer then the internet has existed
this. It will be different for different people perhaps, but personally I prefer seeing someone every few years even over chatting regularly.

I think you just have to look at how people treat each other online vs irl when not necessarily friendly (ie. work) to know that spending time face to face is essential for healthy social interaction.

I agree that real face to face connection is the best for many cases, but is a luxury nowadays and doesn't work for all.
Yeah and this group tries to make it less of a luxury and more of a regular thing. Thats is what we should strive for.

I really do think that our body has a different physical reaction to being close with others. We are monkeys, basically. Lonely monkeys dont do well.

100%. There are many biological processes that create bonding through physical proximity and touch. You may make great friends online but the physical component can't be ignored.
A social circle does not scale to begin with. Rather than introducing something very close to a buzzword and presenting an alternative which aims to (as you claim) solve a similar problem, perhaps you can tell the reader why you think scalability is important and what makes you think that you can solve loneliness at scale where every other large-scale online community has (I think pretty obviously) failed.

Improving on your original point in this way will take it from what it is now (an advertisement, IMO pretty undesirable) to what it could be: Informative and helpful to those suffering from what the news article purports this company addresses.

Krageon, I've removed any mention of the service I am building and left more answers related to your message => https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20360002#20360713
I appreciate that you took the time to do so, not everyone does.