[GordonS]

I also have the first (13") MBP model to ship with a touchbar, which is also the only Mac I've ever had.

TBH, I think it's put me off Macs for life. While I haven't had a hardware failure, the keyboard is simply horrible - there isn't nearly enough key travel or feedback, and swapping useful physical keys for a useless touchpad is completely pointless - I have a cheap 13" netbook kicking around which has a far superior keyboard!

After having Macbook aficionados harp on for yeara about how wonderful Macbook keyboards are, I feel cheated.

I wish Apple would stop valuing thinness above all else - it's important, but there are diminishing returns. We've got the point where I don't want it to be any thinner - I want ports, good battery life and good heat dissipation (my MBP is quiet, but it gets bloody hot!)

[spraak]

I made a custom plate that sits over the default keyboard and I put my own better keyboard on top. I've been kinda curious if anyone else would buy one if I produced them for a nominal fee.

[GordonS]

I've love to see some pictures of this setup?

Also, what's the plate made from and what alt keyboard do you use?

[alfonsodev]

do you have pictures to see how it looks? I'm not sure exactly what you mean, why do you need the plate? for extra stability ?

I've seen a colleague carrying a wireless keyboard with the macbook >2016, and putting it on top of the macbook directly, no plate.

[spraak]

Hm, I have the new MacBook Pro 15in and if I don't use the plate my own keyboard presses buttons on the default keyboard.