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by supergauntlet 2546 days ago
Every day I see headlines like this and I think "surely soon enough it will get bad enough that people will support universal healthcare" or really any "socialist" policy. Every day I am mistaken.

If people actually did the research they'd see that these policies are just good common sense for them, but too many of our voters are lied to by the media they consume, so I worry things will never change.

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Assuming the trend continues, at some future time there will reach a tipping point. Historically, once a population becomes so oppressed by those in power that it starts pushing into fundamental needs (food, shelter, etc), the population finally revolts and it's usually not a pretty picture.

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately in most other contexts), those revolution level standards of living are tremendously lower than what your average citizen has now even though we complain about home ownership and health care we still have places to live and emergency rooms. I'm not saying I'm willing to accept this level of modern indentured servitude, I'm saying most are.

For awhile, we had a generally progressive labor movement in the states where average citizens demanded improvement and progress. It seems to have reached a sort of stagnant state of complacency at some point and began to decline with much of that culture and momentum dying off in the process (not being passed on to future generations). Now, people just shake their heads and accept things the way they are instead of fighting for improvement in their lives. How do you educate the general population and convince them to support movements to continue to increase US workers' standards of living? I don't know the answer to that question.

I see an additional problem with the sort of bifurcation trend we're seeing in the middle class where people seem to be shifting to either upper middle or lower middle. The upper middle are typically more educated and so hammered in the rat race trying to salvage what remains for themselves, they can't find the time to support everyone else's rights. The lower middle typically aren't as educated: college is absurdly expensive and cultural + economic trends lead many of our most talented away from teaching (where many should be). This leaves the lower middle to be more susceptible to adopting media manipulation/ideology trends that aren't in their interests. I have a very bright and good friend who recently retired who told me if he was my age, he'd seriously consider migrating out of the country but he's retired and has a family. I hate to say it but sometimes I feel a tendency to agree with his evaluation and that's sad in one of the wealthiest countries in the world that has been a beacon of democracy and growth for many years.

I am from the same country as the commenter: there is a free public system of healthcare. I'm not using it. There is private insurance as well: I'm not using it either. Im doing cash pay for visits and they cost 20U$S each.

The universal care works against my usage in the case of Argentina, but I can still handle myself privately without hassles. The problem in the US is NOT that it lacks a public option.

Sure, healthcare can be super cheap as long as you stay healthy. What are you going to do if you get cancer? What if you break your leg in 5 places and need months of rehab? Just because you aren't sick now doesn't mean that healthcare is irrelevant.
I don't have specific statistics but in argentina the public hospitals that deal with cancer are decaying institutions and the people that I know have cancer use private insurance.

So didn't solve it either.

Im contesting the idea that public healthcare is what 1) lowers cost 2) guarantees good care