[codingdave]

OK, how can we do those without electing leaders into office who will do those things?

[pnongrata]

We can start by voting for politicians that are not tied to corporate money.

[js8]

Why without? Ever heard of Bernie Sanders?

[codingdave]

pnongrata is arguing that voting is worthless. I'm honestly trying to understand their position, but so far having no success. Seems to me that we absolutely should be electing leaders with political positions that match what we desire to see in our society.

[js8]

Not only the political positions that match the desire, but also voting record that matches their position.

I would personally prefer direct democracy, but I think it is extreme to claim that every politician is corrupt.