[hevi_jos]

"- community of unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist fans who lack perspective and criticism"

Why do you feel the urge to insult those that do not see the world like you do?

You call them "unrealistic", so it makes you fell realistic. "brainwashed" so it makes you feel clear minded. "tribalist" so it makes you feel individually intelligent. "lack perspective", so you believe you have perspective.

The fact is that some of these people are really smarter than you are and happier and more fulfilled than you are. And have way more money than you have. Some of them will be stupid, but not all like you believe.

These people have real reasons to choose an Apple product and they are as valid as your reasons.

While everything you say is true, the fact is that these people give them a different value that you do. I have a friend that has a company and earns 2000 dollars everyday, does he cares about an overprice laptop? Not really, he cares about time, and interruptions(he had a Windows laptop that used to interrupt him for hours at the worst possible time), he cares about weight, and malware installed by default that you could not uninstall.

Right now I am criticizing your attitude. How do you respond to it is a way to measure your level of "handling criticism ability" that you implicitly presume of.

But it does feels different, doen't it? Criticize others is so easy.

[tetraca]

Why are people so worked up over choice of a product? I don't really particularly care for Macbooks, but it's just a manufactured laptop. There is no real identity or pride to be derived from these sorts of consumerist choices. You have a need for a tool that does x, y, and z. You pick one you like that does what you need out a lineup of a dozen that mostly do x, y, and z. Pride is in the productive work you do with a tool, not having a tool in itself. Pride in simply having a thing is just marketing department garbage.

[AimForTheBushes]

He made a lot of good points and then his entire argument went out the window in the last sentence.

[richrichardsson]

So because you don't agree with 1 out of the 15 points, suddenly those other 14 are null and void? Pffff.

You just have to look at all the "No, it's really not that bad a price" comments re the upcoming Mac Pro to see he does have a point there.

[chipotle_coyote]

But does he really have a point about the Mac Pro, though? "This computer is ridiculously priced for my use case" != "this computer is ridiculously priced for the use case it was intended." The 2019 Mac Pro is going after the workstation market that SGI in particular was in a quarter-century ago, whose "entry-level" machines started at $10K.

I get why people are salty about the 2019 Mac Pro not being the Mac Pro they wanted. It's not the Mac Pro I wanted -- it's not the Mac Pro I owned, although back then it was called the PowerMac G5. But the PowerMac and original tower Mac Pros were always a bit of an anomaly in the Mac timeline, anyway; most of their flagships trended toward "holy hand grenades that's expensive" rather than "that's a little expensive but I bet I could swing it." The Macintosh IIfx started at $9000 in 1990; it was replaced by Apple's first tower, a Quadra 900, for a mere $7200 a year later, this at a time when an average PC was under $2K.

If someone wanted to make a serious critique of Apple's pricing, they'd be far better off starting with "look at how expensive their most expensive stuff is," it'd be "look at how expensive their least expensive stuff is." You could certainly build that case for Macs, where the cheapest option is $799 and the cheapest (modern) notebook is $1199.

[AimForTheBushes]

It's just off-putting.