[Jtsummers]

Are those companies known for their speed and quality of code delivery? Have they published studies and popularised their approaches? Have they, or anyone else, generalized their approaches to things other than specific software categories?

The thing about the manufacturing processes that have come out of Toyota (and others), or the ideas from Deming, Goldratt, and others, is that they're more about general systems theory. What is the flow through the system? How do we know when is an appropriate time to do X? How do we know the focus should be on improving the sales team and not the development team or vice versa?

It may seem like a focus on a manufacturing is misplaced, but many of the ideas transfers over to services as well. Within your business, you have processes which are repeated regularly, information flows with bottlenecks. Which of those should you focus on improving? How do you determine that? How do you measure the improvement efforts? How do you choose how to improve something (top-down directive, or bottom-up participatory effort)? Study Lean, Theory of Constraints, and systems theory and you'll get some answers and ideas.

[artsyca]

Nintendo releases more software than Toyota

[Jtsummers]

Maybe don’t edit your post next time? Especially after people have replied. That’s a very dishonest mode of discussion.

[stordoff]

What was edited? The discussion still appears to make sense.

[artsyca]

The point is dear friends and colleagues, that none of us signed up to be computer professionals only to have our craft usurped by a bunch of management types trying to make a name for themselves by spouting eastern philosophies and wearing ragged golf shirts

I am tired of having a textbook thrown at me every time I ask a human question and treated like a factory floor worker by human automata and recent grads suffering from impostor syndrome

I know there is more to software than bottlenecks and efficiencies and all that tripe it seems quality and quantity are the only measures may as well go back to East Germany where all this bullshit emanates from in the first place

Even the damned ranking system on hacker news is an echo to the system used in North Korea. Software has become a breeding ground of groupthink and it's this kind of crap that fuels it

Are you seriously telling me Toyota is a better software company than Nintendo?

[artsyca]

I'm alluding to the fact that a whole generation of software developers who grew up idolizing Japanese video game companies got bait and switched to pursue the manic automation principles of a car company rather than enjoying the joy de vivre of our heroes at Nintendo -- the respondent didn't get that my question was rhetorical to begin with and gave an essay-length diatribe on what I consider wholly misguided literature so I switched gears into troll mode and the whole thread blew up

[Jtsummers]

The “Nintendo releases more software than Toyota” comment wasn’t the original. My response made no sense so I removed it and asked why they thought they needed to change their response.

[dymk]

I bet they release a lot more bugs too

[artsyca]

Maybe learn to recognize when you're being trolled and quit taking your scrum certification so seriously