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by notacoward 2552 days ago
> You're papering over all of the policy arguments

Calling them "policy arguments" is way too charitable, and I'm not papering over anything. The excuses are irrelevant. The fact is that student loans exist. Mortgages often get paid off way before 30 years (less than 10 in my case). Not everyone even gets a mortgage. Children grow up. Some don't even rely on their parents to support grandchildren, and we'll be coming back to that. Some people remain healthy later into life. Cost of living does not uniformly get "much more expensive" as people age. Your claim, so you prove it.

> monopsony and other anti-competitive distortions

Those are very serious problems and I even alluded to them before, but to claim they're so bad that the laws of supply and demand have become inoperative is inane. Not even worth engaging on.

> With 30-year terms being the most popular

When you talk about 30-year terms, you're papering over (a) people who rent instead of buying, (b), the 20% of home purchases without any mortgage, (c) mortgages for shorter terms, and (d) people who pay off early. Cherry-pick much? Then you ignore mortgage-interest deductions, make a ton of assumptions about older people's health, and treat insurance and medical costs as strictly additive without substitution effects. To top it all off, you assume substantial support for grandchildren. That's actually damn rare. Most of us manage to raise our kids to be self-sufficient and support their own kids. I'm sorry if you didn't, but that doesn't change the statistical reality.

The fact remains that salary based on need is not a thing for purposes of this discussion. There's no rational expectation that employers will, out of the goodness of their hearts, pay older workers more because they need it. The same employer who you claim have completely rigged the game and advanced bogus arguments to cheat workers out of pensions? Your argument isn't even consistent, let alone credible.

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It's honestly hard to cut through the randomness of your data points and the bitchiness of your tone and judgments in order to discover an underlying argument.
I think it's a bit hypocritical for you to accuse others of randomness or lack of clarity under the circumstances, doubly so for you to sling "bitchy" at others as you go into a sulk instead of trying to support your claims. Might I suggest a course or two in logic or persuasive writing? It might do you a world of good.
just curious if you have any data to support this?

> the 20% of home purchases without any mortgage,

I found a report that 30-34% own their homes completely but thats not new purchases. Its mostly people who've owned more than 20 years

I haven't been able to find what I consider a truly authoritative source, but I've seen these figures many places (perhaps as a side effect of having gone through the process of buying a second house). Here's one example.

https://www.supermoney.com/studies/mortgage-industry-study/

The closest I can find to a real source is the National Association of Realtors, which claims 88% of purchases are financed.

https://www.nar.realtor/research-and-statistics/research-rep...

The 30-34% number is probably more important, though, because paying off early also results in an immediate cost-of-living decrease - and a significant one, I can add from personal experience. ;)