[spiderfarmer]

It will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more.

And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I tried every Windows machine money can buy and I always had problems, both hardware and software.

If Apple goes back to making products that are generally without problems, I'll upgrade to the newest model at launch day. The keyboard woes definitely held me back.

[spookybones]

Same. I bought and returned a few PCs, including a couple of Surface Pros. I actually like the feel of the new Macbook Pro keyboard, but I'm running into too many friends with missing or stuck keys. I'm still using my 2012 retina, and it has lasted an amazingly long time. I want that kind of craftsmanship. I also, like most, really do not like the touch bar.

[LoudogUno]

Currently still on my maxed out late 2013 15" retina with 2.3 Ghz 16GB RAM 512GB SSD. The trackpad has ceased to work but it has come to rest on my desk with dedicated monitors, keyboard and mouse. Easily the most important enjoyable inanimate object in my life that. Oh, and still have my early 2010 15" MBP to troubleshoot, run Windows, and as a backup in case this one is out of commission for an extended period of time which has only happened once. Really appreciate the feeling that when I buy my next one I'll be able to rely on it for over half a decade.

Still haven't warmed up to the keyboard and seemingly useless touchpad (although I'm sure I could find fun ways to use it)

[spiderfarmer]

As for modern Windows machines, I bought a Surface Laptop for my wife and that machine holds up pretty good. But she does not use it every day like I do and only uses it for browsing, Office and remote desktopping to her work environment.

[Someone1234]

The Surface Pro was an impressive feat of engineering, but was never a comfortable typing experience regardless. I would say the Surface Book legitimately has a super nice keyboard though, reminds me of the pre-2015 Macbooks in good ways.

[asdkhadsj]

I'm actually switching back to Linux. Partially because of the issues you cite, I too love my 2015 MBP - where as I don't use my bigger 2017 MBP as a laptop (it's basically a desktop for me).

The bigger issue for me though is price. I love my 2015 not only because the keyboard is great, but because the price was good (it's a cheaper model). I can take it outside and not fear losing $2k-$4k. My bigger MBP is just over 3 grand, which is a lot to lose due to sea air, outside dirt, etc.

Sure, I could probably buy a cheaper 2019 MBP if they're quality and feel good about going outside, but I want power too. The price just doesn't seem worth it these days. If I go Linux, I can get a powerhouse for the same price as the lower end MBPs it seems (though I've not done rigorous comparisons yet). I want cheap and powerful.. and it just seems impossible to do that with Apple.

[cgriswald]

I'm switching to Linux as well. It's that "just works" has become "it doesn't work anymore, and we don't sell anything you want." I'd happily give them money, but they don't seem to care about what I want as a customer.

I'm typing this on a mid-2010 iMac with Linux installed because it's no longer supported by Mac OS. My 2012 MBP died earlier this year. I replaced it with a Dell XPS 15 running Linux. I don't like it as much as my MBP, but I don't hate it like the current Apple offerings.

I don't mind paying for power. I've got a ridiculously overpowered "cheese grater" Mac Pro. But the OS is dated, and I can't replace it without a total wipe and reinstall because I used a RAID. After being left in the lurch on the (admittedly dated, but perfectly functional) iMac, not knowing if I'll ever like another MBP offering, and having to wipe the system anyway, I'm not sure I'm not just going to put linux on that as well.

I might even switch over to Android for my phone. While setting up a VPN, I had a very difficult time, because even though all Apple's configurator does is create XML profiles, I couldn't run it because none of my hardware had a recent enough version of Mac OS on it. It seems totally arbitrary; especially since I can duplicate the profile by hand, email it to myself, and install it on the phone.

[nextos]

I switched to Linux from Mac back in 2009.

While I enjoy the freedom and lately the niceties of NixOS, there are a few things I miss about Apple. Especially hardware.

It sounds crazy, but some Macs were among the best Linux laptops. MacBook Air 11 (Late 12) used by Linus himself. That's my main machine too. Silent, pure Intel, flawless. Other Macs were really nice too. E.g. MacBook 2.1. Great keyboard, and supported by Coreboot. Not so much lately sadly, with non-USB input devices, secure boot and bad keyboards.

People talk about Thinkpads, which are good, but you need to cherry-pick a lot. Some models are quite noisy for example. Outside Thinkpads, it's hit and miss. Currently, I like Surface Go and Xiaomi Mi Air 12. Most other laptop options are not good. Desktops are a completely different business.

Buying from Apple is always very reliable and easy. Pay and go. Everything is fine. Guarantees across borders are fine. Getting keyboards from different locales is fine. With other brands, not so much. I feel that Apple is focused on less products, and this really makes a difference in terms of quality and user experience.

Lately, I was trying to get a US ANSI keyboard in the UK, and the only option that worked was buying a Magic Keyboard (which has really nice latency).

[ascii_only]

> Some models are quite noisy for example.

You can change fan speed curve. NBFC with one is suggested profiles working great for me and my laptop became much less noisy. But nbfc was my only option because my hp laptop has unrecognizable by linux fans so fancontrol cant control it.

[spiderfarmer]

> I want cheap and powerful.. and it just seems impossible to do that with Apple.

My job relies on this laptop. I don't care if it's expensive, I want to buy reliability.

[asdkhadsj]

I agree. My desktop I want to be super powerful, but my laptop I need to travel. I don't like traveling with $4k worth of hardware in my backpack. I don't like setting $4k worth of hardware down on park benches or tables.

Worst of all, my 2017MBP has nothing for reliability. It's both expensive and unreliable. The keyboard is absolutely terrible. I never use that machine as a laptop because of how unusable and unreliable it is.

Part of reliability to me is affordability. If I take a laptop outside and it gets damaged, how quickly can I get it replaced, fixed, etc? If I have to spend $4k to replace it that's not an easy chunk of change. This is a way of saying price tags of Apple hardware can inhibit reliability, imo.

[87zuhjkas]

How about used ones from eBay?

[mLuby]

People are asking for Face ID on laptops?! I have an EFF sticker over my 2015 MBPR's webcam thank you very much…

[LyndsySimon]

Those things don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive - though grant, they likely will be as implemented. Face ID is incredibly convenient on phones, and I while I didn't expect to care either way on the iPad, it's just as nice there. My only complaint with my 11" iPad Pro's Face ID is that the sensor is only on the "top", and is almost always covered by my hand when I'm holding it in landscape (which is pretty much always). A second sensor on the right side of the device, near the magnets for the Apple Pencil, would be very welcome.

For a laptop... I'm not sure exactly how that would best implemented. The easiest thing to do would likely be to hardwire an LED to the sensor so that it couldn't be activated without notifying the user. Otherwise... perhaps it could be implemented as a self-contained authentication device that sent some sort of hash of the user's facial features to the OS, instead of the actual image? I'm not familiar enough with how the technology works to say for sure.

[spiderfarmer]

Yes they do.