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by qub1t 2555 days ago
It's your description that is completely wrong.

A transaction tax has been tried before in Sweden[1], had disastrous effects on their stock markets, and had to eventually be repealed.

I don't think most people appreciate how efficient the US markets are today, relative to what they were like 20 years ago. HFTs do make a lot of money, but its a extremely small amount compared to the total size of the financial system [2], and it is decreasing rapidly each year as the competition increases.

If we impose a transaction tax, market makers who are already on razor thing margins will increase bid-offer spreads, volatility will increase, and it will become way more expensive on average to trade. There's a reason why you can trade virtually for free on your personal account today, vanguard is able to offer you 0.1% in management fees, etc. These things did not exist 20 years ago.

Its a common myth that HFT's are "stealing" money from investors, but if these firms were not in the markets, it would almost certainly be detrimental to the ordinary saver/investor.

Bernie definitely wouldn't be able to raise nearly as much money as he would need from this tax, and it would hurt the economy. Him and his advisors know it, but he just wants to pander to the anti-wall street sentiment while also making it seem like his proposal isn't completely fiscally irresponsible, which it is.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_financial_transaction_...

[2] https://www.ft.com/content/d81f96ea-d43c-11e7-a303-9060cb1e5...

1 comments

Frankly I don't disagree, in the sense that this is largely a BS (pun intended) proposal from someone who does not understand how finance works. I am not a fan of Bernie.

But these particular counter arguments, such as they are, miss the forest altogether.

Sweden is...not the US. It's basically Ohio. Trying something in an Ohio that is not on the dollar does not tell you anything.

Some kinds of efficiencies in the US system are laudable, others are deeply problematic. Solving for e.g., humans trading on their personal accounts is a demonstrably terrible idea from a retirement savings perspective at scale.

The fundamental point is that in the US and in most of the world there is a deepening imbalance between capital and labor. And labor is going to have its say unless capital figures out how to share.

There are lots of ways this can go horribly wrong. Lots of current events rhyming with bad moments in history. Trump is this gone wrong. Bernie would be too.

A redistribution of wealth is coming, one way or another.