[Davertron]

> Node.js, as a language, is almost worthless without its immense open-source ecosystem. You won’t find any real-world applications running on Node without the use of dozens or hundreds of npm libraries simply because Node is not useful in and of itself.

Nonsense. It's a general-purpose programming language like any other. JavaScript isn't my favorite language in the world, and I agree that there are a lot of packages that make working in it a lot nicer, but come on.

[gridlockd]

If the ecosystem doesn't matter at least as much the language, why isn't Deno taking the world by storm, given that it fixes a lot of Node's problems and that it supports Typescript natively, which is a "better Javascript"?

Deno by itself isn't useless, but without an ecosystem, it clearly isn't that useful either.

[kgwxd]

I think the point is fair, but you could substitute "Node.js" with any language, and "npm" with "Standard Library/Underlying Framework". The ecosystem is as important as the language.