[the_pwner224]

And so is so much other US-produced or maintained hardware. Do we now ban outdated corporate websites which can be hacked and used to launch attacks on other servers?

The Huawei ban is very clearly a political anti-China move, not one based on technical reasons.

[StudentStuff]

We need a cultural shift, security should not be a whimsical dream. A company running vulnerable websites should be culpable for their neglect, and likely shouldn't be administering their own IT affairs if they are repeatedly negligent.

This is an anti-China move, but we do know Huawei builds vulnerable LTE basestations and products, and refuses to do the bare minimum to secure them, despite promising $20 billion in investment in software security (see the article I linked to earlier).

[i_am_nomad]

Do you not understand the part about Huawei’s rampant, Chinese-style IP theft directly contributing to the poor security of its products?

[DiogenesKynikos]

I haven't ever seen any evidence of "rampant" IP theft by Huawei. Every time, it's the same one Cisco case that got settled 15 years ago, unsubstantiated claims about Nortel two decades ago, and T-Mobile's "Tappy" robot. This for a massive company with over $100 billion in revenue a year. If there were actually something to the characterization, you'd think there'd be more evidence. It's a bit like defining Google solely on the basis of Oracle's case and Apple's earlier claims of Android being an iOS clone.

[i_am_nomad]

Try taking this position with, say, Samsung.

[DiogenesKynikos]

I'm not sure I follow.

Samsung was embroiled in a very bitter IP dispute with Apple, in which it was found to have violated Apple's patents, essentially copying the design of the iPhone, and ordered to pay over a half a billion dollars.

Yet American companies aren't banned from doing business with Samsung, nor should they be.