[maddy1512]

I have had a good and bad manager! Here are the traits of each one

Bad One: Gets pissed off easily when something doesn't work, focuses on himself, doesn't like when people go on leaves while he himself enjoys vacation twice a year, discriminates, uses trickery to get things done, uses his ego in product decision making in case of a technical debate, not at all honest

Good one: Rarely looses his cool, may not write code but brilliant with products and product architecture overall, defeats you in technical debates using intelligence rather than his command and ego, is honest & loyal with you and so are you, is a boss but works with you like a team

When I started out I remember once I was staying late to the office coz I had some pending work, my manager stayed with me because he had good understanding of the problem and he dropped me off(I used to travel using companies transport) even though he had to take detour. Best product manager ever!

[davidrm]

> doesn't like when people go on leaves while he himself enjoys vacation twice a year

the US sounds like a dystopia more and more everyday. sure, one could make the case that these work habits are a reason for your success, but who is really benefiting that success?

[maddy1512]

> the US sounds like a dystopia more and more everyday. sure, one could make the case that these work habits are a reason for your success, but who is really benefiting that success?

Talking about India not US!

[davidrm]

ahh it ocurred to me that i might be wrong, but repeatedly hearing from expat friends how americans find the number of vacation days in EU shocking, i decided to poke anyways

[maddy1512]

But India has the same tech work culture like US but startups in India are worst, I was talking about the product based startup I worked at - cool tech, cool work but horrendous vacation policy! Don't even ask me about vacation scene @ Service based Indian companies!

[kzzzznot]

I thought the same. I think 10 days paid leave is considered competitive in the US. I’m in the UK where 25 days is considered competitive.

[C1sc0cat]

28 Days is the minimum in the UK and I had well over 30 from day 1 when I started at RELEX (reed Elsevier).

I have also had a CTO who worked in the UK and The Valley and he said he got as much work out of the UK team as the one with only two weeks al in the states.

[jldugger]

10 days is garbage even in the US. You take it, but you grumble about it. Partially, nobody in the US knows how to value vacation, I think. So even highly paid people kinda shrug at vacation and don't really factor it in.

[maxheadroom]

>Partially, nobody in the US knows how to value vacation, I think.

It's partly engrained into the culture and partly to do with the prohibitively expensive means of travel.

For example, you could probably find a flight from London to Paris (return trip) for under 50 quid (for one). In the states, there's no way you're traveling that same distance and paying less than 300 quid, I'd say.

So, it's a combination of both but I think the expense contributes, or lends itself directly, to the social stigmatisation.

[nonamechicken]

Its easier to get vacation in US compared to India. Managers in Indian IT companies have a target that x% of their team must be billable at any time (or at least that's what they tell us), and use that as reason to deny our leave requests.

[c0vfefe]

This isn't the US, this is human nature. Or rather, "bad manager" nature. A dystopia would be where everybody was a bad manager.