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by NotPaidToPost 2559 days ago
This is one of the major cause of the destruction of the environment we're seeing globally.

All forecasts predict another 60% (!!) increase in global population before it stabilises.

Forget about banning plastic straws or flying less (which are feel-good measures more than anything else) with such numbers... We need to take dramatic and effective steps.

There are 80 years left until the end of the century. This increase is far from being inevitable! But, again, we prefer to ignore these key issues and focus on marginal, feel-good measures instead.

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This increase is essentially unavoidable at this point in time. It happens despite the fact that fertile couples now only reproduce at replacement rate. But older smaller generations get replaced by larger younger generations. There is a multi decadal lag in population dynamics.
Why forget about the easiest steps if we need dramatic ones?

Why should rich people continue to fly around the world while you try implementing big restrictions on everyone? This makes no sense.

Perhaps you meant "In addition to bans on (...), we need dramatic measures"? Also, suggesting some steps would help understand how stronger your proposals are.

People are flying around the world trying to figure out how to supply people like you solar pannels, wind turbines and batteries. Enviomental solutions require a suppy chain, R & D and new factories.
Perhaps you didn't read the article, because its main point is that the official UN forecast is for world population to essentially flatten out at 10.9B around 2100, which is 40% more than today, not 60%.
11B from 7B is a 60% increase... But that's the usual sterile nitpicking. Do you want to argue about decimal points or address the actual point?

The important point is that this is a large increase when we already cannot manage now.

"we already cannot manage now."

Correction: we don't want to manage now. The world has far more than enough wealth and resources to hold climate change to 2 degrees and to stop clear cutting rain forests.

Point of order: 2 degrees of climate change will still be disastrous https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=8433
We can and do manage now, thank you very much. Poverty is decreasing at an incredible rate around the globe; education is increasing at an incredible rate. We've made the world's knowledge available to virtually everyone via in the internet just in the time I've been an adult. We've eradicated diseases that once killed millions every year.

Two thirds of the global extreme poverty (defined by the World Bank as about $1.80/day in current dollars) has been eradicated in just the past two decades.

We're doing awesome.

We also have about ten years of carbon budget left if we want to avoid the worst climate change yet our emission rate is still increasing. Permafrost is already melting much faster than the pessimistic models assumed, so it might already be too late to prevent the release of the absurd amount of carbon locked in the ice.
I was obviously not writing about poverty but about our impact on the planet and the environment...
I expect to see fossil fuel use as a major energy source eradicated within my lifetime. The planet is just fine; it's our own living environment we need to worry about. Earth has survived worse things than mere humans.
10.9/7.53 = 1.45, but that 10.9 has high error bars. The U.N. estimation is a 80% chance it’s between 10 and 12 Billion in 80 years. https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/9...

That’s quite a bit of uncertainty to make any real definitive statements beyond continuing growth expected.

As a point of comparison, the global population has almost quadrupled in the previous 80 years. So even in the worst case scenario, population growth is dropping spectacularly.
Absolutely, the trends seem very obvious. The global population is unlikely to double in the next 100 years.

I am mostly simply reacting to people trying to use specific estimates.