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by atr_gz 2555 days ago
>Citation needed.

Here ya go (he has further citations at the bottom if you're really interested):

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/...

Regardless of whose fault it is, it doesn't have any bearing on whether or not the people of HK should have self-determination.

>It is also nearly impossible to learn anything about the opium wars in Western media, or how the governors of HK are all appointed by the British monarch directly.

I don't know about that, I learned about it in high school. Here's a more recent book and review about it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/07/02/book...

>Then what is this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democra....

>BTW he/she said "largely encouraged".

So the existence of the NED proves to you that a large portion of the protestors in Hong Kong are foreign-influenced? Okay. Personally, I think it's more likely that they're concerned about their rights and it's insulting to say otherwise.

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The foreign-infueced theme and "anarchists" are obvious responses from central power using force when a large protest happens. They will never admit that they are the ones who created the problem in the first place.
Throwaway because I don’t want to be brigaded.

It appears Britain only tried to give them democracy when they knew the writing was on the wall. That seems disingenuous to suggest it was China that blocked them.

While technically true, if Britain truly wanted to help the Hong King people, they would have offered citizenship and let them immigrate, like Portugal did for Macau.

Instead, the British tried to stop Portugal from doing so, because they didn’t want to offer the people of Hong Kong citizenship.

Interesting. I can promise you I'm not being disingenuous, even if I'm wrong. And I think "brigading" is more of a Reddit thing - it usually means when people from an opposing subreddit mass downvote a post.

I definitely think Britain should have offered citizenship. I'm surprised they didn't want to.