[guilhas]

Because 4chan compared with Reddit is the slum of the internet. I don't use it, and I think very few are worried of what's happening there.

But I care about Reddit. Until recent was a good open forum that allowed good discussions. And recently it changed.

"the west" is where I live, so I would like to be able to criticize my leaders. Wich with the Assange developments, and the ABC raid, it is clear that thing are only about to get worse.

By "the west" I meant countries align with US objectives. If you still don't know I can compile you a list...

Yes, "whataboutism" is a point made a lot by hypocrites wanting to criticize others without wanting to analysis their own behaviors.

[bediger4000]

The phrase "the west" gets used to mean a lot of different things. You really should clarify what you mean, and maybe avoid "the west" as a catchall - you're going to confuse some people, and make yet another population suspicious of your reasoning.