[therein]

They are decent scooters but I wish they had suspension + pneumatic tires. I still find the retail M365 to be much more pleasant to ride.

I actually fell pretty hard from a Skip scooter going slightly downhill in SF because their active breaking gave up on me while going downhill (maybe 20deg angle, not even too steep) I could have dealt with that but even worse it would keep turning itself on and off so the traction would keep changing, because the power connection must have been loose (or battery too low -- this was before they started warning you about a low battery on the app) or something.

They did at least add that battery warning, though. That was an important update.

[mertd]

Do you mean 2 degrees? 20 is very steep.

[justinc8687]

20 degrees seems about standard for San Francisco. That's only a 5% grade in road parlance.

[michaelt]

20° is a 36.4% grade [1].

New Zealand's Baldwin Street [2] is the world's steepest residential street, according to Guinness World Records, with a slope of 19°.

San Francisco's Filbert Street has a gradient of 17.5° [3] and that's that's steep enough that it has steps.

Of course, a road can be "very steep" and "normal for SF" at the same time! IMHO even if a road is very steep, if you're hiring scooters in a city the brakes (and geometry) should be good enough that an average rider can safely descend the city's steepest roads.

[1] https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/slope-degrees-gradient-gr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Street [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filbert_Street_(San_Francisco)

[therein]

The way that I was trying to eyeball it was "45° is is kind of like a stairway", this was probably half as intense as that. :)