[asdkhadsj]

I know RIIR appears to offend a lot of C/C++ devs, and I understand why. I do however, think RIISSL (Rewrite It In Some Safe Language) is a real meaningful thing.

The reason Rust is the figure head for this is because I've not seen other languages with any amount of popularity take "safety" to the degree Rust has. I imagine there are others, I recently saw bounded array types in Ada and thought it was cool, but Rust definitely has the momentum.

This isn't to say that I'm justifying RIIR. I'm justifying RIISSL. To which currently, there aren't many.

In the future I hope to see many safe languages. I love Rust, but I'm super excited for the next language that blows Rust out of the water on safety and usability. I hope RIISSL is a thing in the future, and I hope there are more options so that Rust doesn't get so much unneeded hate over RIIR :)

I really do love Rust though.

edit: I should amend, RIISSL is only applicable where safety matters. I could definitely see arguments where all common unix tooling matters, as even find could have security implications. Yet, `find` compared to SSL implementations are vastly different for RIISSL.

[geodel]

> I know RIIR appears to offend a lot of C/C++ devs, and I understand why. I do however, think RIISSL (Rewrite It In Some Safe Language) is a real meaningful thing.

It is not meaningful for open source projects where RIIR or even RIISSL types jump in and start offering unsolicited advice to contributors. These folks can fork and/or make some POC etc if they seriously believe it is a net win.

[ncmncm]

In fact, the amount of successful penetration of RIIR is a direct measure of the wisdom of doing it.

I.e., if it were a good idea, there would be no need for an advocacy. People would just do it. If the ecosystem is ever mature enough, we will know by the counting the number of projects that switch.

But every day, there is the choice: should I improve the product for users, or potter with the build system? Because language choice is really a build system detail, to users.

[asdkhadsj]

Depends, would you not jump in and advocate a project fix fundamental flaws if it affected your production security?

Which don't get me wrong, this is likely not advocatable (is that a word?) to something like Find. I'm not defending that. However C bugs in SSL/Apache/etc are terrifying. A person jumping in and advocating RIISSL is similar (but obviously different) to jumping in and advocating for critical fixes, or perhaps even security audits.