[Eric_WVGG]

Covering up environmental compliance violations and falsifying training records is a much bigger deal than littering. This is more akin the Volkswagen emissions scandal.

Elizabeth Warren's proposal to prosecute CEOs for corporate misconduct would be put to good use here. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18294308/el...

[rayiner]

The falsifying seems to be isolated incidents on two cruise ships. It is relegated to a third bullet among “other conduct” in the DOJ press release: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/princess-cruise-lines-and-its....

[mikeash]

So they falsified records with intent to deceive law enforcement twice? Seems pretty bad.

[rayiner]

“They” is random employees on two ships.

[mikeash]

Is the company not responsible for the actions of its employees? If so, are the responsible employees going to jail?

[rayiner]

There is no evidence that the company itself knew about or encouraged that falsification. If there was, the DOJ press release would have mentioned it. The employees could be prosecuted, but federal prosecutors generally don’t go after such low level conduct.

[mikeash]

And once again, serious crimes are committed and nobody suffers any serious consequences.

I’m also curious, what is “the company itself” other than its employees? What part of a company is capable of knowing things besides the people in it?

[tptacek]

Probably not; the threshold you have to cross under Warren's hypothetical proposal is, while lower than the current one, still pretty high, and weirdly specific: Carnival would essentially have to already be operating under a judgement or consent decree covering this conduct, and a specific executive officer would have to do something meeting the four tests for legal negligence that either violated the judgement they were under, or otherwise resulted in harm the health or privacy of at least 3.3 million people.

Warren did not propose the "CEOs of companies we dislike can be sent to prison if anything bad happens" bill.

[Eric_WVGG]

A high bar sounds fine to me.

[dsfyu404ed]

>Covering up environmental compliance violations and falsifying training records is a much bigger deal than littering.

So it's not the littering/pollution that's the important crime, it's daring to lie to the government that's the important crime?

Yes, littering is bad and the fine is too small for a company this size but the fact that people see failing to <cartman>"respect my authority"</cartman> as the true crime here does not sit well with me.