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by notsureigetit 2565 days ago
> Google had people literally begging them to put Fiber in but backed off because they couldn't make (enough) money.

Was that the reason, or was it because the other telecom companies were lobbying to keep Google from accessing rights of way and expanding to other cities. (One failed example:[0])

In many jurisdictions, the cable and telecom companies are attempting to make it illegal for municipalities to install their own government-run internet because they really don't want to compete. It's ridiculous. [1]

Had Google been allowed to compete like in other industries, they probably would have crushed the telecom companies. But they weren't allowed to.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber#Reactions [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/another-state-la...

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>Was that the reason,

Yes.

> or was it because the other telecom companies were lobbying to keep Google from accessing rights of way and expanding to other cities. (One failed example:[0])

A failed lobbying example is terrible evidence compared to the sweetheart deals Google got and the lengths cities went to attract Google (from Wikipedia):

The initial location was chosen following a competitive selection process.[18] Over 1,100 communities applied to be the first recipient of the service.[19][20] Google originally stated that they would announce the winner or winners by the end of 2010; however, in mid-December, Google pushed back the announcement to "early 2011" due to the number of applications.[21][22][23]

The request form was simple, and, some have argued, too straightforward.[24] This led to various attention-getting behaviors by those hoping to have their town selected.[24] Some examples are given below:

Baton Rouge, Louisiana supporters remade the Supertramp song "Give a Little Bit" to "Give a Gigabit".

Greenville, South Carolina utilized 1,000 of their citizens and glow sticks to create "The World's First and Largest People-Powered Google Chain."[25] From an aerial view, the title "Google" was colorfully visible.

Topeka, Kansas, temporarily renamed itself "Google".

A small plane bearing a banner reading "Will Google Play in Peoria, IL?" flew over the Google campus in Mountain View, California.[26]

The mayor of Duluth, Minnesota, jokingly proclaimed that every first-born child will be named either Google Fiber or Googlette Fiber.[27]

The city of Rancho Cucamonga, California, dubbed their city, "Rancho Googlemonga".[28]

One of the islands in Sarasota, Florida, was temporarily renamed "Google Island".[24]

Municipalities and citizens have also uploaded YouTube videos to support their bids. Some examples:

A YouTube video in support of Sarasota, Florida, used the Bobby McFerrin song "Don't Worry, Be Happy".[24] A video for Sarasota was uploaded through Facebook’s video service.[24]

Comedian and United States Senator Al Franken made a YouTube video to support the bid of Duluth, Minnesota.[29]

Ann Arbor, Michigan, has its own YouTube channel[30] featuring a David Letterman-style Top Ten list delivered by town VIPs such as Mayor John Hieftje and University of Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman. Ann Arbor also held a city-wide GoogleFest,[31] kicking off with a gathering of hundreds of participants dancing and chanting "Ann Arbor Google Fiber, ain't Nothing any finer."[32]

Yes, and I'm sure if I could and it would get me a competent ISP I would climb a skyscraper and do headspins on top. Local municipalities have given sweetheart deals to basically everyone that agreed to lay cable. This difference is that in the couple years Google was an ISP they didn't pull any obvious bullshit [yet] on their customers like other ISPS.

It seems pretty clear to me that ISP is like landlord - they need to either be nonprofit or it is a matter of time until whoever is in charge discovers or is replaced by someone who knows that most of the customers are pretty darn stuck and can be shaken for loose change.

I feel like the fact that cities are willing to kowtow to google for Please God Any Alternative To Our Isp Overlords is evidence that the ISPs are doing something that is particularly bad and most small governments are powerless to stop it.

All those examples are cool, but how do they practically solve the base issues that Google ran into wrt to right of way and easements.

All of those examples are the kind of thing that municipalities do because it's easy and doesn't actually address any of the base issues.

>But the key thing was that city officials promised to get out of the media giant's way. They didn't dangle tax breaks, but they did deliver access to public rights of way, expedite the permiting process, offer space in city facilities and provide assistance with marketing and public relations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2012/08/04/how-ka...

Provo sold them their fiber network for $1 as another example. Every city that got Google Fiber gave up concessions and promised to help Google expedite construction.