[dpq]

Plain wrong. It's not end-to-end encrypted by default, that's true. But all chats are encrypted with key portions distributed between different jurisdictions in case some country gets funny ideas.

Chat archives are stored encrypted, not in plain text. Please cite your sources if you claim otherwise.

[heinrich5991]

The Telegram service has the capability to get the plain text of your chats, without any interaction with you.

I think that's what the parent wanted to say.

I think saying "chats are stored in plain text" is a reasonable way to convey that message and I think "plain wrong" is an overstatement.

[eitland]

> think saying "chats are stored in plain text" is a reasonable way to convey that message

If I keep your messages encrypted in my database and your keys on another unonnected database in another building, would it then be fair to say that I store your messages in plaintext?

No. They are encrypted. It is a matter of fact.

The word you are looking for is "not E2E encrypted" which can be a problem, but a different and smaller problem.

> and I think "plain wrong" is an overstatement.

No. It is a statement of a fact.

[heinrich5991]

>If I keep your messages encrypted in my database and your keys on another unonnected database in another building, would it then be fair to say that I store your messages in plaintext?

If you can still access them, I don't think it is fair (or maybe rather: it is misleading) to say that you store them encrypted.

[eitland]

If you cannot trust me it doesn't matter.

If you trust me but are worried that someone else might break into the server it makes a huge difference.