[derrick_jensen]

For a while, I was pretty sold on anarcho-primitivism as a concept (Derrick Jensen is a prominent figure in that sphere), but it is pretty deluded to think that quality of life would increase and life would be cushy and comfortable.

[lm28469]

What improvements in quality of life do we really _need_ though?

In first world countries we're so comfy and everything is so convenient that the leading causes of death are due to eating too much and not moving enough. That's pretty ironic if you ask me.

We don't have to go back to living in caves and eating raw animals of course. But I don't see how slowing down would decrease our quality of life.

There is no limit in artificial quality of life improvement. You can spend 1 month of your salary on a bread toaster or on a few iot light bulbs... Or you can send it to a private pension and retire x months earlier than the legal age.

[aaomidi]

Maybe not working 40 hours a week and enjoying the world in our prime age?

We spend our best time of the day stuck in an office or someone else's property doing work for them. Losing all the time we have with sunlight.

If we all worked 20 hours a week and maintained our SoL we would even be mentally more stable.

[Mirioron]

And then the people whose SoL is terrible right now would outcompete you and your SoL will fall, because they're the better candidate for the job. There are a lot of people whose standard of living is low right now.

[aaomidi]

Maybe we shouldn't tie SoL to "work output"

[derrick_jensen]

It is more about spreading the wealth to the people who actually need it instead of focusing on consumerist nonsense in a first world bubble

[Bombthecat]

The question is: if we do nothing and just keep destroying the planet, would it be worse? Or better?

[lazyjones]

> keep destroying the planet,

We couldn't even scratch the planet with an all-out nuclear war, why do people always resort to such ridiculous hyperbole? The planet will be fine, we just might destroy our species (very unlikely with pollution etc.).

[aaomidi]

You're fighting semantics here, that's exactly what they were referring to.

[claudiawerner]

It's worth noting that degrowth is not anarcho-primitivism, or for that matter any variant of primitivism.