[JamesBarney]

I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef.

His complaint is > 8/ My larger concern on both of these burgers is that - at minimum - they are HIGHLY processed products with lots of stuff that doesn't lead to healthier humans: vegetable oils, soy, protein isolates, additives, all non-organic. They are not real foods. (cough, Soylent)

Mainstream science doesn't think vegetable oil is worse for you than burger fat.

It doesn't think soy is bad for you

It doesn't think orgamic is healthy for you.

He doesn't specify which additives are bad for you and I'm too lazy to go through all the additives.

And I have no idea what science thinks about protein isolate but I doubt it's any worse for you than other forms of protein.

He just stringing together a bunch of friends truisms and pretending it's a rock solid case.

P.s. I don't understand why they're getting so much hate for a fairly innocuous product that is trying to do some good.

[cannonedhamster]

He hates on it because it impacts the profits of the products he sells. That's it. Never trust someone who is motivated by profit to believe a particular narrative.

[undersuit]

Aren't the producers of Beyond Burger also motivated by profit and therefore just as suspect?

[cannonedhamster]

I'm going to say yes. You should be just as suspect of health claims and sustainability claims of a plant based burger. But there's generally science to back up that a plant based diet it both better for the environment and better for health reasons than a meat based diet. Does that mean you shouldn't eat meat? I mean, you do you, but if you care about the environment or health generally the veggie burgers are more likely than not to be more supportive of your belief system. If you don't care about either of those things, then I suppose you would choose on taste and that's a personal preference.

[sridca]

> But there's generally science to back up that a plant based diet it both better for [...] health reasons than a meat based diet

Try reading these nutritional studies and you will see how much bullshit is behind them. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20029519

It still amazes me that people surrender to nutritional authorities, instead of self-experimenting (cf. Asra Conlu on YouTube) and finding out the facts for themselves.

[closetohome]

Yeah yeah, the meat industry has quibbles with the WHO study connecting red meat to cancer. Shocker.

[dang]

You broke the site guidelines here and repeatedly below. Would you please review them and follow them when posting here? One of the main things they're trying to prevent is comments that take threads further into flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[sridca]

Have you read those studies yet? If not you are wasting your breath away on borrowed beliefs.

[closetohome]

I don't see Beyond Burger talking shit about Justin Mares.

[jaworrom]

Too much vegetable oil? Your ratio of Omega-3:Omega-6 fatty acids will be out of whack, causing inflammation in the body.

Too much soy? There are plenty of PubMed studies that cite soy's effect on hormones and the estrogenic activity that it can cause.

It seems to come down to balance.

[JamesBarney]

Vegetable oil isn't especially healthy, but sunflower oil isn't unhealthy compared to the fats in a burger.

Most studies looking at soy's effect on the body find a positive or neutral effect. Only a few(mostly in vitro) studies show the opposite.

[tracker1]

I'm not sure I'm convinced they're better than burgers from grass fed ruminant animals. Then again, I'm allergic to legumes so won't be having them anyway.

[sridca]

> I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef.

I can't speak for environmental friendliness, but I doubt these burgers are "healthier" than ground beef (especially from humanely raised cattle), which I eat on daily basis. Come meet me in person and tell me that I look unhealthier.