[YeGoblynQueenne]

Reading the guide [1] I can see that it recommends, for adult men, 7-10 servings of fruits and veg, 7-8 of grain products, 3-4 dairy and 3 of meat _and alternatives_, which means vegetable sources of protein, particularly beans and legumes, including peanutbutter. For adult women it's 7-8 servings, 6-7, 3-4 and 2, respectively.

That's a predominantly carb-based diet, especially counting the "alternatives" to meat and the vegetables that include potatoes and sweet potatoes (the "other vegetables" category in the guide.

You can see this also on the food guide's website [2] (and its wikipedia page) where an image summarises the recommendations: a full plate; half is fruit and veg (including sweet/ potatos); a quarter is carbs (black and white rice, noodles, bread, red quinoa); and another is meat and alternatives, which again, include beans, chickpeas, lentils, almonds, peanuts, tofu, walnuts and some grains I can't quite identify.

So I don't know where you guys saw the low-carb diet. I particularly don't see any suggestion that grains are "for livestock".

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[1] http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pu...

[2] https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/

[tareqak]

Your link to in your [1] is the older version of the food guide (it has 2007 in the PDF file name) and is different from [2]. The food guide in your [2] specifically does not have servings and has a proportional plate instead [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Serving_... .

Update:

I see where the mistake came from: the Wikipedia link for the "complete guide" under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Canada's... points to the older page here http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pu... . The new complete guide is https://food-guide.canada.ca/static/assets/pdf/CFG-snapshot-... . I don't know if there is an updated guide for First Nations, Inuit and Métis .

[YeGoblynQueenne]

You're right, my bad. But the new guide is the image I describe above, with the half-and-two-quarters plate. This is still a carb rich diet.

In fact, it's virtually identical to the 2007 diet, only really changing the format of the advice.

Even more so- the new guide now describes the food category that includes meat as "protein foods":

https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendatio...

These are:

    eggs
    lean meats and poultry
        lean cuts of beef, pork and wild game
        turkey
        chicken
    nuts and seeds
        peanuts
        almonds
        cashews
        nut butters
        sunflower seeds
    fish and shellfish
        trout
        shrimp
        salmon
        scallops
        sardines
        mackerel
    lower fat dairy products
        milk
        yogurt
        lower sodium cheeses
    beans, peas and lentils
        brown, green or red or other lentils
        peas such as chickpeas and split peas
        dried beans such as black beans and kidney beans
    fortified soy beverages, tofu, soybeans and other soy products

So again, nuts and seeds, beans and legumes -not a low-carb diet by any means.

[tareqak]

I would say it is lower than before, which is definitely an improvement. I'm not aware of a specific number of calories or kilojoules for a diet to be considered low-carb. I guess there is some ambiguity on my part on what the low in low-carb means: low in comparison to the other nutrients in the meal? low as a proportion of daily caloric intake?

It also seems that I'm not the only one who is confused [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet#Definiti...

[YeGoblynQueenne]

Yes, that seems to be typical. There is no agreement on what "low-carb" even means. And yet, there are many people who are very vocal about the benefits of such diets.

I note also that there are no public bodies that recommend such diets- it's only private companies and individuals.

>> I would say it is lower than before, which is definitely an improvement.

I can't see that this is the case- at least not in comparing the 2019 with the 2007 guide.

[xopher]

British public health service are now piloting it for people with type 2 diabetes.

[YeGoblynQueenne]

Source please? All I can find is advice to diabetics to eat a healthy, balanced diet without cutting out any food group entirely:

>> Should people with diabetes avoid carbs?

>> People with diabetes should try to eat a healthy, balanced diet, as shown in the Eatwell Guide.

>> They should also include higher fibre starchy foods at every meal. Steer clear of cutting out entire food groups.

>> It's recommended that everyone with diabetes sees a registered dietitian for specific advice on their food choices. Your GP can refer you to a registered dietitian.

>> There's some evidence that suggests low-carbohydrate diets can lead to weight loss and improvements in blood glucose control in people with type 2 diabetes in the short term.

>> But it's not clear whether the diet is a safe and effective way to manage type 2 diabetes in the long term.

>> Weight loss from a low-carbohydrate diet may be because of a reduced intake of calories overall and not specifically as a result of eating less carbohydrate.

>> There also isn't enough evidence to support the use of low-carbohydrate diets in people with type 1 diabetes.

>> Douglas Twenefour, Diabetes UK clinical adviser, says: "When considering a low-carbohydrate diet as an option, people with diabetes should be made aware of possible side effects, such as the risk of hypoglycaemia (low blood sugar).

>> "We also advise that people with diabetes discuss the amount of carbohydrate to be restricted with their healthcare team.

>> "The best way to manage diabetes is by taking prescribed medications and by maintaining a healthy lifestyle that includes plenty of physical activity, and a balanced diet that is low in saturated fat, salt and sugar and rich in fruit and vegetables, without completely cutting out any particular food groups."

>> Read Diabetes UK's review of the evidence on low-carb diets and their conclusions.

From: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/why-we-need-to-e...

(Note the name of the url).