| > And here in the US, people are trying to circumvent censorship too. I don't know what you're talking about; the US is the least-censored country on earth. You can't even pull provable, inflammatory falsehoods off of Facebook without people crying censorship here (which is its own problem). > there have been articles of china's demise for decades now I'm not talking about its demise. Quite the opposite. I'm talking about its people being smarter and more worldly than they get credit for, despite president Xi's very best efforts to the contrary. It has academics who are regularly imprisoned for criticizing the government and advocating for personal liberty. Scores of people cheat around the latest propaganda app (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/world/asia/china-xi-jinpi...). People use GitHub, for lack of better options, to exercise some small amount of free speech (https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/709490855/github-has-become-a...). There's a will. Chinese people don't want this kind of country. Many of them have just given up fighting it. We could help. > I'm betting it will have as much support as japanese internment had in the US Japanese internment has been looked back upon as one of the greatest human rights transgressions the U.S. has ever committed. It wasn't at the time, of course, but that can't be helped. It's also beside the point. I'm not saying "America is good and China is bad". I'm only saying, Xi's ruling party is bad. America has done some bad things too. It's still doing some bad things, like what's happening at the southern border. Maybe what you don't grasp is that Americans are free to criticize their own government. We can have our own sets of values. I have a pretty low view of my own country right now. That doesn't mean I can't also point out China's problems and America's opportunity to do something about them. Of course, I also have very little faith in my government to take that kind of opportunity right now. |
Once again, you harp on censorship. I'm against it too. But what does that have to do with what we are talking about? I don't like censorship in the US but that doesn't mean I'm going to support the chinese government over the US government. For some strange reason, you seem to believe that just because people don't like their own government, they'll support foreign governments. That's not how life works. Every citizen in every country has gripes against their government, but that doesn't mean they would welcome foreign intervention in their own country.
And if the chinese people don't like their government then let them deal with it. Not sure who you are or what your agenda is that you think "we could help". Who are "we" that we have to interfere in other countries?
I'm american. I complain about the government, the establishment press and censorship all the time. What are you? You seem to claim to be american but want to "help" the chinese people overthrow their government. And for someone who claims to be american, you seem to claim to know how the chinese think and want. I suspect chinese people know what chinese people think and want. It's as strange as a chinese person saying they know what americans think and want. How would they know?