[anthuman]

The climate has always been changing. That's the problem. We have been in a "long trend" global warming period for at least 20,000 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Maximum

Much of the world was under ice 20K years ago. And the earth has generally warmed since then and melted much of the ice ( with occasional refreezes ).

And the "consensus" that human activity is responsible is utter nonsense. Feel free to research where the "consensus" came from. Also, whenever "science" relies on "consensus", you have to start wondering because real science doesn't rely on consensus - it relies on hypothesis and experimentation. The speed of light isn't derived from "consensus" but rather experiments. Science isn't politics, people don't vote for what the facts of science are.

You talk of 30 years of consensus. Do you know what the consensus was before the consensus on global warming? We had 30 years of consensus on global cooling. And before then we had decades of consensus of malthusian collapse. And before then consensus on social darwinism. Strange how all these "consensus" driven science has been debunked as pseudoscientific nonsense.

We are in many millenia long global warming period. This trend started long before humans started using oil. Thinking humans are responsible for global warming is like thinking humans are responsible for the rise and decline of tides because we drink water.

[josho]

Your comment seems completely rational but ignores that we have science refuting your opinion. Not only that, the research on this comes from different branches of science that all converge on the same conclusions.

I suggest you do a little more reading on the topic. Storms of My GrandChildren is an easy place to start.

And as always if you have a good source that disputes climate science I would really appreciate a reference.

[soulofmischief]

I'm always changing. But you could point to a moment before and after I hit puberty, or, on a long enough scale, the period during which I morphed from teenager to adult.

This "the climate is always changing" was just classic anti-intellectual rhetoric spread in response to changing the name from "Global Warming" (Oh but the Earth isn't warming during winter!) to "Climate Change". Be careful. Don't let yourself be swayed by those who only wish to harm you.

[inflatableDodo]

>We had 30 years of consensus on global cooling.

No we didn't. That is completely and utterly false.

[adrianN]

At no point were more papers predicting cooling than warming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

[lm28469]

No one denies that the climate changed before and that it's a natural thing. The problem is that in 100 years we went from slow changes to 10 times the amplitudes ever recorded. The questions isn't "Do these cycles exist ?" it's "Are we sure we want to trigger one early ?"

Greenhouse effect is a very well studied effect. CO2 / other gases level are a very well studied field. CO2/other gases dramatically increased since the industrial revolution. Are you also denying that ?

When you study something you have to look at the settings in which it happens and look at the time frame. Sure changes happened 10k+ years ago, that's not invalidating anything related to our role in the current change.

> Thinking humans are responsible for global warming is like thinking humans are responsible for the rise and decline of tides because we drink water.

You won't win anyone over with such nonsensical arguments.

https://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-th...

https://theconversation.com/the-three-minute-story-of-800-00...

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/last-2000-years

https://xkcd.com/1732/

[consp]

You are mistakenly conferring the correlation between long and short term trends I think. The reason for long term trends is (as far as I know) somewhat uncertain and might be having an effect, but the short term trend is mostly attributed to humans doing things and can be shown to massively correlate to events (like the industrial revolution in the UK, massive oil consumption etc).

The consensuses you mention were in their time not a 'consensus' and dubious at best and already recognized by the contemporaries of the time.

> This trend started long before humans started using oil

Correct to a certain extend (see other post for sources), they started using (very broadly as greenhouse gas emissions concern) agriculture/herding first, wood, and coal. Oil as a source of greenhouse gasses is mainly 20th century thing.

[trophycase]

I urinate 5-6 times a day, but yesterday I went 60 times. But hey, it fluctuates by the day. Nothing to see here.