[eropple]

Sure, but that also has never been practically the case in any communist nation of which I am aware. Getting into No True Communist discussions isn't meaningfully productive, but there might at least be something to be made from looking at other self-declared communist states and teasing out the differences.

[lostconfused]

And I don't want to start that discussion. I just think it's easier to call China a totalitarian capitalist state, without torturing other labels to make them fit. It's not unthinkable for a state to miss represent it self when it comes to names or labels.

[stcredzero]

I just think it's easier to call China a totalitarian capitalist state, without torturing other labels to make them fit.

I think calling them capitalist doesn't involve much less "torturing labels" than calling them communist.

[lostconfused]

Ok fair enough. What is it about China that makes it explicitly not capitalist?

Since it's absolutely not communism, what makes it absolutely not a capitalist economy?

[eropple]

There's a ton of state ownership of industry, particularly manufacturing, and land is strictly controlled.

That's why I called it "mixed-command".

[eropple]

I...agree? I mean, I said that. ;) Unless your definition of "communist" is "what China is," it doesn't qualify.

[lostconfused]

Then I didn't fully understand your initial post, I am sorry.