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by qxcbr 2588 days ago
They didn't really have an option: the same organisation controls GNOME and systemd, so they introduced systemd as a hard dependency of GNOME to force distros to adopt systemd. And you can't have a distro out there without GNOME, so...

Those distros that can run without systemd have to make their own patches to "fix" GNOME, which is very costly. Even Gentoo struggles with that, as it takes them a long time to release new versions of GNOME because they have to write the patches to strip out systemd first.
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AdmiralAsshat 2588 days ago
>And you can't have a distro out there without GNOME, so...

LxQt and any KDE-powered distro would beg to differ.

But I agree, in general, that KDE-default distros are few and far between. And the KDE team probably has better things to do with their time than try to maintain a systemd-less fork.

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lmm 2588 days ago
They're rare in the US. KDE-as-default is close to the norm in Europe.

KDE has long been a more crossplatform system than Gnome (much better windows support (and even e.g. solaris), BSD is treated as first-class) so I'd hope they'll continue to avoid being systemd-dependent.

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qxcbr 2588 days ago
>They're rare in the US. KDE-as-default is close to the norm in Europe.

Based on what?

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yellowapple 2588 days ago
> And you can't have a distro out there without GNOME

cough cough Slackware cough cough Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu cough cough Tiny Core Linux cough cough the literal dozens if not hundreds of distros that ship with a desktop environment that's not GNOME or MATE or Cinnamon or some other derivation thereof cough cough cough

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nickik 2588 days ago
> as a hard dependency of GNOME to force distros to adopt systemd

Or because they like systemd and they think the abstractions it provides are useful and its better to not have that code in GNOME. But sure, lets go with the conspiracy angle.

Also, pure serve distros also adopted systemd.

> Those distros that can run without systemd have to make their own patches to "fix" GNOME, which is very costly.

OpenSource project not implementing the features some users want them to implement. Shocking stuff. Its almost as if that's the bases of Open Source. If you don't like the choices of the project you can take the source and do your own thing.

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