[siedes]

I respectfully disagree that waning respect for America in this context illustrates what you say it does. Chinese culture is fundamentally opposed to American culture, and those things you mention, open democracy, religious and cultural tolerance, etc. are expressions of American culture. What nations like China and various others respect about America is money, and how to make a lot of it even at the expense of American people and industry, all while laughing at how we live our lives and making a mockery of us. As a person of Asian descent and having lived amongst other non-American groups, I can say most do not want to live like Americans at all and often spit on "western values". They love our money but they don't give a damn about our democracy and cultural tolerance. Hate to say it, but it's for the most part accurate.

[dang]

Sorry, but you can't use HN for nationalistic flamewar, and statements like these are way over the line:

Chinese culture is fundamentally opposed to American culture

laughing at how we live our lives and making a mockery of us

spit on "western values"

I appreciate that your background and personal experiences may give you a special perspective on China-related topics, but you need to share that with others in a much more neutral way if you want to post about this here.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19951595 and marked it off-topic.

[equalunique]

My family includes Indonesian, Philippine, Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Cantonese folks. Prosperity is the core reason they are interested in the United States, and to that reason those "western values" are just ancillary.

[sho]

> Hate to say it, but it's for the most part accurate

I hate to say it too, but statements such as yours, filled with sweeping generalisations, oversimplifications and us-vs-them outgroup nonsense like they want to "spit on our values" usually turn out to be very very far from accurate, and indeed say more about the speaker than the subject at hand. Chip on your shoulder much?

I'd like to think - and have generally observed - that 99% of people from anywhere are not in fact greedy sociopaths, but instead decent people trying to live good lives inside their own cultural and economic context.

[siedes]

For the good of the world, I hope you are right. I admit I did get a bit too passioniate in the earlier post.

[ardit33]

I disagree with you. Having some really close friends (either first gen, or second/gen, born here), i'd say their values are pretty western overall, with a dose of 'immigrant mentality', which honestly is not much different than immigrants from poorer European nations. Sure, they go back home to visit, and they don't want to go back and live in China.

On the other hand, I have met few folks that defend the Communist party, and the values of an autocratic government, and these people were almost all late comer (they came in the US for masters, or later in life), and still on some kind of visa.

So, given enough time, and a green card the overall attitude changes a lot, and makes folks value the US lifestyle more.

As for second and third gen, the well educated ones are all very Americanized.

[homarp]

but isn't that the first generation only ?

[east2west]

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[dang]

Please do not engage in nationalistic flamewar here even if another comment went there first. Having this site not burn in flames requires users to resist being provoked and stay within the site guidelines themselves.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[mycall]

If they spit on our western values, what do they love and embrace instead (aside from money)? I would think there are many universal values shared which is why our peoples are quite compatible.