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by needlesurgeon 2585 days ago
North American Neurosurgeon here. My opinions are based on my personal experience and my understanding of the literature. I am not an expert in residency well-being or work-hour restrictions.

First: the literature is unequivocal about the effects of chronic sleep deprivation. This cellular aging article fits within what is known already. Sleep deprived humans are dumber, more stressed, and now age faster that non-sleep deprived humans.

The tacit assumption for work-hour restrictions is that sleep deprived physicians result in inferior medical care for patients. It turns out that the literature does not support the tacit assumption. When researchers looked at complications/mortality pre- and post- work-hour restriction, there was no difference. This result is somewhat counter-intuitive, and has been reproduced in various contexts. The one mortality benefit that has been for physicians themselves: less physicians get into car accidents after their call shifts. It's worth noting that there is literature to suggest that less ICU errors are made by sleepy residents, however, this also didn't translate into mortality differences.

So what's happening? There are a few interpretations of these results. The first is that resident physicians really aren't important for patient care, and that the majority of care provided comes from attending physicians. For anyone who has been admitted to an academic institution, this interpretation is silly and is unsatisfying.

The second is that there are sufficient checks and balances. When a sleepy physician makes a silly mistake, nurses can catch errors "this patient has an infection; are you sure you don't want to start antibiotics?" and pharmacists can catch errors "You ordered a hundred times the lethal dose. I'll correct that for you." When the day-team comes by and hears about the patient, they can quickly fix the errors made. Having made some silly errors myself, this certainly plays at least part of what happens.

The third is that most of medicine is rote. Frankly, after a few years of doing the same thing over and over again, you don't really need that much brain power to do a lot of medicine. I have admitted hundreds of people with brain tumors over the years, and the immediate workup and management for the majority for patients is identical. I can do this in a sleep-deprived state. I am not saying that some cases are more complicated than others. As a HN analogy: consider how much sleep you need to print "Hello World!" in your favorite language.

The fourth is that the ability to capture complications / mortality is increasing at the same rate as residency work hour restrictions are resulting in better patient care. In other words, we're searching and finding problems we wouldn't have caught otherwise. It's hard to counter this argument, but I don't know of any data for or against this position.

There are certainly more reasons, but I think the point is made. It's not obvious, it's multifactorial, but it's definitely robust.

OK, so the obvious question is this: Why do resident physicians need to work so hard?

First, let's look at the statistics. Suppose you're providing neurosurgical care for a catchment area of a million people. Brain tumors, as a category, affect 1:10,000 people. This means you'll be admitting 100 new brain tumors a year. However, not all brain tumors are the same (in fact, depending on how you want to slice the pie and what you consider a tumor, there are on the order of 200 different tumor diagnoses). Some tumors are common (e.g. metastatic lung tumors) and some are literally a one in a million diagnosis. In order to see the gamut of tumors in your training, you simply need the time in hospital. In my estimation, brain tumor surgery has a mean of 3.5 hours, with 95% of the cases being between 90 minutes and 24 hours. This means that the average academic center is doing at most two tumors per day. The argument here is that you need the hours to see the cases. There's no doubt that sleepier doctors learn worse than non-sleepy doctors. But I can tell you that I have participated in very rare operations in sleep deprived states, and I remember the approaches much better than common operations I've seen in non-sleep deprived states.

Suppose we are interested in maximizing physician well-being, regardless of the literature supporting patient outcomes. The simple solution is to simply restrict work hours. So, who runs the hospitals? One approach is to hire more residents. Well, residents eventually need jobs. Suffice it to say, swamping the medical profession with more doctors who have less training is not an intuitively satisfying solution to the problem. Moreover, more doctors means more handovers. Increasing handovers has been shown to result in order more unnecessary tests for patients, and to result in inferior patient care.

Restricting work hours means that surgeons may have to train longer. Well, at minimum in the US, becoming a neurosurgeon is 4 + 4 + 7 years of post-secondary education (undergraduate, medical school, residency -- residency used to be 6 years). Many residents choose to become subspecialists, adding another year or two (or possibly 3 or 4). Further work hour restrictions could turn the 15-year training process into a 16 or 17 year process. Fair enough, this could solve the problem. But really? From a purely economic perspective, this is silly. Think of the opportunity cost of educating yourself for 20 years (i.e. 20 years of debt) to work for 25 more before being asked to retire.

Suffice it to say, it's a tough problem. In recognition of this last point, many specialties are moving towards competency based training. That is, graduating surgeons when they meet a competency rather than having spent sufficient time in hospital. This is a no brainer in other fields (e.g. flying planes, building bridges). While this is in fact reflecting the times (greater emphasis on patient safety than in the past), there's no doubt in my mind that this is being implemented because those in power feel that they are graduating surgeons less competent than the generation before them.

This last point, is in my opinion, the important question to ask. If anyone knows of any literature about this last point, I'd be grateful.

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It sounds like the strategy is put in a lot of hours doing routine cases (where little learning happens) in order to experience the rare cases. This seems inefficient? Couldn't residents be called in to look at the rare cases?

I guess they would need to be close by when it happens, but that doesn't seem to justify sleep deprivation?

Or maybe there are other ways to increase the odds of seeing a rare case?

This is the difference between coding the solution to a tough technical problem yourself versus watching someone else code it.

There can only be so many assistants.

I'm told by my anesthesia friends that it take about 6 weeks to train someone to be technically proficient at putting someone to sleep and waking them back up again.

The five years of training are needed to understand why you're doing it, and to see enough disasters to know how to get yourself out of the disaster situations.

While I don't fly planes, I would imagine flying a plane would be similar.

I also drive a car. While I was technically proficient while I got my license, it took years to get to the point of predicting the behavior of other drivers on the road, and to not panic when unexpected events happened (hydroplaning, odd pedestrian behavior, etc.).

It's a similar telescoping training problem in Radiology. We can train someone to have basic proficiency in interpreting a specific imaging examination in a relatively short period of time, but building the knowledge base, following up ambiguous diagnoses with pathology correlation, and seeing sufficient volume requires 5 years after internship. This doesn't even include all the knowledge we have to know for image acquisition, artifacts, and protocol design/QA. After all, you don't see what you don't know.

Yes you can look at case books and question banks and sample teaching cases, but until you are dictating the case primarily and have to decide whether to call a diagnosis which will have profound downstream treatment implications, it's a very different experience. While most specialists are comfortable with their area of imaging, I'm talking Radiologists remote reading cases for a rural location, where their report will determine if the patient is transferred and to where, with significant costs to the system and the patient if they are wrong.

I'm not sure how to "fix" it other than adopt a variant of the "commonwealth" competency-based system in Australia, where residencies have "usual" terms but if someone is competent and willing to sit the board certification exam early, they can try.

First of all thanks for this comment. That's a lot of interesting input.

To be honest I don't really see any reason to treat doctors differently than other professionals. There are plenty of difficult jobs that people's lives depend upon but I've yet to see a career path forcing trainees or juniors to go through such hard conditions for several years for pennies.

> Further work hour restrictions could turn the 15-year training process into a 16 or 17 year process. Fair enough, this could solve the problem. But really? From a purely economic perspective, this is silly.

From a purely economic perspective everyone works too little for too much. Why don't we start to treat residents like human beings, cut the long hours and pay them decently. Where do we find the money? Maybe in regular doctors' sacks - the difference in pay before and after residency is crazy. In 2017 residents went on a country-wide strike over working conditions in my country (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41777785) and it's said they'll go on another one this year.

As a side note I think a lot of issues in health service is a lack of proper management. Every time I'm in a hospital I can't help to notice hiring someone like an office manager, who's only job is to smooth communication between workers and patients and workers themselves would be huge.

The salaries of resident physicians are often available online. Here are some example salaries:

https://medschool.ucsd.edu/som/medicine/education/residency/...

https://med.nyu.edu/medicine/education/residency-compensatio...

http://www.myparo.ca/starting-residency/#salary-and-benefits

While these salaries may be dramatically different than what the doctors make when they finish residency, you'll see they're decent.

That being said: as a first year resident I once did the math and found that based on the number of hours I was working per month, I was making less than minimum wage.

Could we pay residents better? Absolutely. But, my suspicion is that people would still want to be doctors even if you paid residents half of what they currently made. I don't think medical school admissions would sky-rocket if you paid residents twice as much as they were making right now.

I wonder how changing technology might change system design tradeoffs and opportunities?

Better VR/AR, and event capture with lots of cameras, will blur the current gulf between "I saw it done" and "I saw a recording".

Medical simulation is improving and increasing. And some changes in medicine make it easier to simulate (arthroscopic, robotic). Changing optimal training mix.

Simulation big picture and long term... how will pilot training change, when even basic flight sim games are fully immersive environments with hands-on haptic controls? So how might medical training change, if a kid's "Operation" game includes AI patient interviews, playmate and automated-character resource management, and perhaps off-the-shelf haptics comparable to current med school sims?

Improving general education. This is more a social/political/systems change, but tech may help catalyze it. Let's see... a first-tier genetics course instructor says what they most wish their incoming students had learned, but haven't, from earlier undergraduate and pre-college bio courses, was simply a firm grasp of central dogma. Something that with good tooling, can be made accessible in early primary school. And I've talked with first-tier med students, who had no idea how big cells are, beyond "really really small". How might medical training change, if the education of its incoming students was failing less badly?

Apropos competency-based training, I years ago saw a proposal, I presume unimplemented, for a large-scale reentrant medical-training curriculum for India. Without having to start from scratch, an EMT could become a nurse, a nurse could train as a GP MD, an optometrist could level up to a non-surgical ophthalmologist, and so on. If our ability to do assessment improves, both simulation and non, then at least where there is a medical training shortage, perhaps there might be alternatives to quality control of training and practice being founded on institutional training-process controls.

Simulators are effective only as their verisimilitude. Certain neurosurgical procedures are well-reproduced using simulators (most notably the insertion of external ventricular drains[0] for hydrocephalus). Surgical simulation have also shown to be be effective in systems where the principle goal is to get the trainee used to getting visual and limited tactile feedback in specific settings, such as laparoscopic procedures. One thing that has been extensively explored is providing trainees biofeedback about their roughness of manipulating tissues. This in itself is useful; but, to use a musical metaphor, it's more like practicing scales than practicing a performance.

It turns out that recreating tissue in a VR environment that looks and feels like real tissue is a really hard problem. This is a growing industry, and I have no doubt that developers / biophysicists / clinicians will continue to produce more and more realistic systems. Frankly, we're just not there yet. Right now, there is no substitute for the real thing.

Put another way: imagine using a flight simulator where one couldn't reproduce the physics of a real plane. This would be somewhat useful, but have limited transference to actually flying a real plane.

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26115472

Do you think hyper-specializing might be a solution? Right now I see many physicians end up only working within a narrow sub field of the field they trained in. For example, a neurologist goes through 4 years of general neurology training and then ends up only working in an epilepsy clinic and after a few years probably forgot how to manage myasthenia gravis. Or a neurosurgeon that ends up only doing spine cases. Wouldn't it be better if we just had shorter but more specialized residencies? If people are going to end up forgetting half their training anyway...
Hyper-specialization has been an approach taken by the medical establishment. For instance, within the last decade, the "vascular surgery" specialty opened up as a specialty straight out of medical school. Vascular surgery procedures used to be a subset of procedures largely (but not exclusively) performed by general surgeons (neurosurgeons still routinely do carotid endarterectomy procedures, for example). There are murmurs of "Spine surgeon" becoming a separate specialty as well, which is currently performed either by neurosurgeons or orthopedic surgeons (often with dramatically different specialty-biases in their surgical technical and reasoning).

Sub-specialists are needed and are important for a variety of reasons, including realistic demands on training time. If my loved one had a single medical issue, I would certainly wanted them operated on by the person who does nothing but that operation.

Woe is the person with two complex medical issues in a hyper-specialized hospital institution. Consider the situation where someone has two medical problems in direct conflict with each other. For instance: some people can develop chronic subdural hematomas (translated: blood clots on the surface of the brain) which causes neurologic dysfunction. The general advice here is to stop any blot-clotting medication someone is on, to prevent further bleeding or expansion of the cSDH. However, what if that person has an artificial heart valve and needs to be on blood thinners to prevent strokes?

How do we proceed? Ask the neurosurgeon, and the answer is "stop." Ask the cardiologist, and the answer is "don't stop."

Sub-specialization is happening, and it's important. But it turns physicians into finer-grained hammers: so every problem they can hit becomes a nail.

In my opinion, one will always need generalists to make the tough calls and to identify which specialist is required. The only way to train generalists is to know what the outcomes are for both stopping and continuing the blot clotting medication.

I'm not a professional so what I'm saying could be stupid, but I don't see why anti-coagulant medication has to act globally in the organism for something that is a localized issue. I realize the circulatory system is not segmented, however couldn't there be something to be done with the time of action of the anti-coagulant? From my vague recollection, clot formation has something to do with turbulent flow post-valve as well, so improvements might be made in this area as well... try getting a fluid dynamics expert in the team that designs the valves, and I'm not joking. FWIW.
For the cSDH conundrum and similar tough calls, it is indeed complicated, that's why one needs to stick to guidelines or expert opinion. If there are no clear instructions, then the attending's way is the highway. Or your gut feeling. The most important thing in this case is to document your decision and notify patient and relatives.

(resident neurologist here) :)

Hyper specialized internal med sub-subspecialist here.

I unequivocally agree with GP poster about the value of generalists. The systematic devaluation of internal medicine physicians (by this I mean not ABIM subspecialty boarded) is a tragedy.