[dragonwriter]

> Where shall we draw the line and how do we decide?

Why does there need to be a line? As long as the package manager is part of the core distribution (even if it is itself an upgradable package) why not moving everything into packages, even if some are maintained by the core team and have the stable version at time of distribution release included with the core distribution—but perhaps installed only on demand?

[peteradio]

How would you get standards like unittest?

pip install unitest? Oops I spelled it wrong wonder what I just installed?

[dragonwriter]

> How would you get standards like unittest?

“have the stable version at time of distribution release included with the core distribution”

Ruby, for instance has both “default” and “bundled” gems with the core distribution.

https://stdgems.org/

[jp_sc]

pip install pytest

Kidding aside, most of the problem with the fake libraries could be solved if pypi namespace them per author, like GitHub does for repos.