[Swizec]

Imho middle class means you work for a living, upper class means you can live on wealth.

You might also be surprised to learn that a $166,000/year household income puts you in the top 5% of US households. Definitely upper middle class but still pretty easy to burn your whole paycheck every month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_middle_class

[sys_64738]

> Imho middle class means you work for a living

I thought that's what working class meant.

[Swizec]

I thought that was blue collar?

Would you call a software engineer making $150,000/year working class? What about a lawyer somewhere in midwest scraping by on $50,000/year?

Now what about an independent plumber making $200,000/year? Working class or not?

[war1025]

I always viewed the working class a subset of the middle class, defined by the fact that they did some sort of physical labor for pay. I.e. as opposed to office work.