[azdacha]

Full stack dev : he didn't say they are inferior but that in his point of views most designers don't understand their design should conceived as a tool. Now that's discussable as it changes from project to project. A promotional website shouldn't be forcefully seen as a tool but cool be seen as a augmented poster. Now I understand his point of view when he says that designer use too much icons language, without any text Intel on it. I'd add to it that web.dev asks to use and display label on every input. Even tough they might have placeholders.

And no HN people are nice, it's just a matter of understanding the subtilities we might all disagree on.

Ps : a bas php.

[madeofpalk]

No, lets be clear here. OP said that Designers fundamentally do not understand their job, how OP "hates UIs and [..] UI designers" and how much they know better.

What OP is talking about is how sometimes there is bad design, in exactly the same way there is bad code, and using that to extrapolate out to an entire discipline. Imagine seeing someone's shitty very first Visual Basic project and just declaring that all developers fundamentally don't understand their jobs.

[azdacha]

Sorry but being clear here only provides an answer to who might be right to an internet argument. Nobody is really right, I understood what he meant and I might not agree with all of it but still take valueable feedback. You could do as well by avoiding the troll discussion. It's not because someone is literally crying in pain because of his team's cursy bad work that you got to end his opinion on the least interesting part.. It's only an opinion.