[fxfan]

runaway success of oss Linux on the desktop? I'm a full time user but I can't tell you how much I hate he constant hardware issues. it's 2019 and I cannot hibernate or sleep my laptop reliably. the backlight doesn't work without fiddling with kernel Params.

[blattimwind]

> it's 2019 and I cannot hibernate or sleep my laptop reliably.

Oh, no worries, it doesn't even work properly on Windows on half of the hardware.

[cameronbrown]

I've never really had Windows hibernation fail on a laptop or desktop for nearly a decade now. Inversely, Linux doesn't fail on hibernation, it's usually rock solid there, but has other problems, like battery not being picked up, or nonexistent power saving (probably because it thinks it's a desktop).

Source: I like installing Linux on obscure things like Chromebooks and Windows 2-in-1s.

[syshum]

I manage a crap ton of windows systems... First thing i do is disable Hibernate on all of them. It does not work very well on windows either. So that is not a linux thing. Hibernate should simply not be a power state.

Nor should sleep in IMO but I do keep that on in windows.. On and Off should be the 2 power states. People just putting their windows computers to sleep for months on end causes all kinds of weird shit to happen in windows

>but I can't tell you how much I hate he constant hardware issues

And you believe windows works perfectly on all hardware? I select my personal computers based on Linux hardware support and I have zero issues. Windows has all kind of wierd driver issues, random shit that happens with some hardware.

Every issue you can come up with that linux has a problem around, i can find the same problem in windows. Welcome to General Computing

[tracker1]

I will suggest that Windows has far fewer problems... and while my next desktop (months away) will likely be Linux, it is definitely not nearly as friendly as either Windows or Mac for most users.

Of course, if you don't manage your own computer and mostly run out of a browser, it doesn't matter nearly as much. It's significantly better today than a decade, or even 2 years ago. About every 2-3 years, I've run Linux as my main OS for anywhere from a month to I think 4 months being the longest. It's not stuck because invariably I hit a sticking point that just gets me to say "fuck it." Running a hackintosh for all its' faults is generally easier than running Linux as a desktop OS, which is a really sad statement.

It's not that Windows doesn't have problems, it's that it has them a lot less frequently. I say this as someone who prefers to develop against Linux (mostly web ui and server backend, etc). I absolutely hate the frustrating windows-isms in Git bash. I find the WSL 1.x isn't sufficient, and the lack of properly performing volume mounts in Docker for Windows very frustrating to say the least.

I, frankly, welcome a more transparent/fast/effective/complete option for linux software development in windows. What has come so far has allowed me to push it as an option moving forward that wouldn't otherwise be there.

[blattimwind]

> People just putting their windows computers to sleep for months on end causes all kinds of weird shit to happen in windows

Not just Windows, Linux/BSDs have problems, too, because just like Windows they tend to clean up temporary files only on reboot / relogon. Though Windows in particular had a number of issues where it would fill up the entire system drive, no matter how big, if you let it run long enough (related to not cleaning up extremely verbose log files and a couple problems with Windows Update).

> Windows has all kind of wierd driver issues, random shit that happens with some hardware.

Recent 1-2 years of nVidia drivers seem to generally lack in stability, with many people reporting frequent driver resets and outright game crashes esp. on Windows 7 and 8. Linux drivers aren't in a particularly convincing state, either. Issues with dis/reconnect displays, suspend/resume issues, 3D application hangs, hardware video crashing drivers (an issue on both OSes) etc. etc.

[tootie]

I clearly didn't say Linux. I said Unix. OSX.

[Redoubts]

A lot of OSX is not OSS, so I wouldn’t be surprised by the confusion.