[braythwayt]

I buy only Apple devices.

It's true that they're mostly proprietary, and Apple runs its own services, and I hate iTunes these days.

But—and I realize not everyone feels the same way—but at this time they are literally the only b2c company that has any credibility around privacy.

They feel to me—and again, not everyone agrees—they feel to me like the only hardware company that thinks of their users as their customers, and not as cattle to be sold to crapware vendors and search engine behemoths.

[ryukafalz]

>but at this time they are literally the only b2c company that has any credibility around privacy

I can think of a few: Purism, System76, OSMC, Mycroft... they're smaller and less well-known than the big players of course, and they're not all perfect, but they treat their users as customers unlike many companies these days.

[braythwayt]

Thank you!

Busy at work, but when I have a chance I'm going to do some DuckDuckGo-ing of these names.

And since were mentioning smaller but still highly useful vendors who treat their users with respect, DuckDuckGo.

[erinnh]

If I wouldnt be using Android Phones with custom Roms and no Google at all, I would proably also be using iPhones. I just try to stay all open source. I pay for my email, I have my own servers with services I use etc.

[snovv_crash]

Devices that don't connect to a 3rd party servers in the first place aren't dependant on the good will of the manufacturer to remain privacy conscious.

Right now Apple makes buckets of cash from their hardware, but if they ever need to tighten their belt you can bet that the extra revenue from selling your data will be extremely tempting.