[crimsonalucard]

I lived in China. I lived in China and the United States. I know the reality. Naivety is the person who watches documentaries and experiences the world second hand.

I'm assuming you haven't been to China otherwise you wouldn't be saying these things.

[busymom0]

I won't disclose my location here on HN but I have lived in 2 countries (one western and other asian) and I know the contrast. Simple things like porn being banned is enough to prove my point. I have had several AirBnb guests at my place from China who describe the system. But their description came across as "frog in the well".

You cannot claim the following are anywhere close to how things are in US. Or will you claim these are all fake propaganda being spread by western countries? It's almost ironic that defending China's practices yet China doesn't even allow Google and most social media sites in the country without a VPN. If this stuff happens in US, media would be having a field day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/07/720608802/reporters-notebook-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_in_mainland_C...

Also, we are not supposed to engage in political debates on HN so I am going to stop here.