[mapcars]

Yes, I'm saying this only because last 1.5 years I'm doing my kriya practice which includes meditation, breathing technic and few other things and it has been working wonderfully - since I "got it" I never had a single bad day. I am comparing this to having occasional bursts of depression, loneliness, self-doubt for a few years before.

I did not try strong psychedelics but the problem with them as with any kind of drug is the effect wears off inevitably. If you feel great for some time, going back becomes even more terrible than staying there, because now you know there are better states. What sets meditation apart is that it is a process which (at a certain level) lasts through the day and even becomes permanent. This is something you can not get with outside help because you will just become dependent on the source of that help.

[easymodex]

>I did not try strong psychedelics but the problem with them as with any kind of drug is the effect wears off inevitably. If you feel great for some time, going back becomes even more terrible than staying there, because now you know there are better states.

This is hard to claim if you've never tried it. Personally when I do a shroom trip I don't even feel like doing it again until months later. I've done it like 8 times in my whole life, usually for fun with friends but it always ends up enlightening and spiritual. The effects are permanent in a very good way. It's a trip, same as you travel to a different exotic country and explore a different world, the memories, the feelings you experienced and the knowledge you gained will stay with you.

[mapcars]

>The effects are permanent in a very good way. It's a trip, same as you travel to a different exotic country and explore a different world, the memories, the feelings you experienced and the knowledge you gained will stay with you.

You just said yourself that effect is not permanent

[monktastic1]

As a long-time meditator and psychedelic user, I disagree. People can get attached to beautiful states in both cases, and both can trigger permanent insights. I haven't felt the need to use psychedelics in years, but the realizations are still there, as strong as any I've had from meditation.

[mapcars]

I'm not talking about insights but the effect.

[monktastic1]

First, I've never heard of anyone feeling "terrible" because the effects of mushrooms wore off. Second, if one does meditation for its effects, trying to make them permanent, then one is still just chasing highs. States always wear off. At least, this is the Buddhist perspective. Having been raised Hindu, I know their take is different.