[scarface74]

Seeing that generics have been around since 2005 in C#, I think the .Net community has had plenty of time to work around the incompatibilities....

There are other languages that support CLR besides C# and they manage to “work around” generics.

All in all, The JVM is leading not only CLR on all fronts, but pretty much any other runtime. C# compilers and GCs are at least a decade behind Java's. You may argue on how important those things are compared to other tradeoffs, but those are the areas where Java was designed to compete at, and those are the areas where it is leading by a wide margin.

By what measurement? Have any specifics?

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/acss.2018.23.issue-1...

And Java still doesn’t have anything equivalent to LINQ.

[BoyRobot777]

F# does not have higher kinded types, because of CLR. So no, they don't manage "work around" generics.

Regarding measurements: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

Also, I am very interested to see new benchmark results once AOT SubstrateVM will be more widely adopted in JVM community. Demo: https://youtu.be/MN6jNIwl2FQ?t=1136

RedHat already working on a framework which takes full benefit of that: https://quarkus.io/

All in all, with upcoming value types, SubstrateVM adoption, fibers and nice languages improvements like records, future is brighter than ever for Java.

Edit. Regarding JVM vs CLR https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15955685

[scarface74]

And the only person who is saying that is so (with a lot of people disagreeing) is someone who “work[s] at Oracle on VM research”

[coldtea]

Well, I agree, and I don't work at Oracle. So? Any other conspiracy theories?

[scarface74]

Care to post benchmarks?

[coldtea]

Benchmarks of what?

What exactly in BoyRobot777's comment (which I said I agree to) calls for benchmarks to be proved?

Nowhere are benchmark results taken for granted as faster or anything. Grandparent says: "Also, I am very interested to see new benchmark results once AOT SubstrateVM will be more widely adopted in JVM community."

I simply agree with the statement made: "All in all, with upcoming value types, SubstrateVM adoption, fibers and nice languages improvements like records, future is brighter than ever for Java." -- so, I responded to your comment which seemed to be skeptic of that (and accusing the parent of working for Oracle).

If you were referring to someone else and some other comment, why post your comment as a response directly under BoyRobot777?

[igouy]

> Also, I am very interested to see new benchmark results once AOT SubstrateVM …

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

In some cases, the faster program with OpenJDK does not seem to be the faster program with Substrate VM.

In other cases, the faster program with OpenJDK seems to fail with Substrate VM - maybe it needs something different on the command line?

Otherwise, the same program is shown for both.