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by 1f60c 2605 days ago
This tendency of Hacker News users to want to monetize everything is sickening.
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It's kind of inherent on a website that's a side project of a venture capital firm.

Besides, without monetisation, you're relying on the goodwill of a surprisingly small number of people. I like to call this "Postel decentralisation" - in the early days of the internet before IANA was the bureaucracy it is today, a lot of functions which people might naievely assume were decentralised were in fact done by hand by John Postel.

I wonder if one could monetize this tendency.
Monetyzer: The world is your oyster, it's about time you start collecting pearls.
Maybe this comment was inspired by WellDeserved, a truly underappreciated but still important app:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoK4_dQbfuU

No, but that was incredible. Thanks for introducing me to Cultivated Wit.
This is curious to me. You either run a charity or a business. Is that sickening?

OSS is huge on HN, and a ton of HN users release OSS all the time. Yet, we all have bills to pay, and a lot of us look for ways to make money as well. Food and whatnot.

I'm not really sure what you're objecting to here? You make it sound like because a user talked about monetizing a feature to a hypothesized product that they're the same as a pharmaceutical company with life-needing medication forcing users to pay absurd amounts.

I agree that in certain scenarios how you monetize matters heavily. Yet, I can't help but feel that only applies to freedom and life-essentials. Things like basic internet access and medications.

But a git hosting service? In my view, you could open one and make it as colossally greedy as you like. It seems you disagree with this, can you voice your thoughts in more depth?

Thanks :)

The irony of people using fast Internet (often on a fast mobile network), using fast computers, on sites like HN/FB/Twitter, etc, typically with a full belly and in an air conditioned room, to speak about the evils of the capitalistic spirit, always amuses me.
Some of us have bills to pay. This generally isn’t a hobby, but a profession. Until rainbows and good vibes pay the rent, then yes, monetization is important.
To explain some of my sickening tendencies: I'm not associated with any such for-profit hosting site, so I have nothing to gain from this. I just use them.

Implementing such a feature would cost resources that someone would have to pay for. Storage costs would go up, it's not atypical that e.g. a repo that's 100MB on disk might be 1.5x or 2x that (or beyond) if you were keeping every version of every ref ever. Think e.g. accumulating throwaway topic branches with library imports you never ended up using.

So how do you pay for running such a thing, nevermind the initial development cost?

You could just make it "free", but then you'd need to roll the cost onto customers across the board. Or you could only enable such "backups" for opt-in paying customers, but most people aren't going to think to enable/pay for that, or think "I won't need this", until they day they do.

So wouldn't it be neat to have such a service on in the background, funded by high premiums to recover the data in case their backup version is your last option?

I've certainly permanently lost personal data by accident where I'd wished I could have paid hundreds of dollars to get back, nevermind someone for whom such a thing might be of critical business importance.

Think about it as being able to pay money after-the-fact to undo the car crash you just got into. With technology that becomes feasible in some cases, and in particular due to how git stores data & what people tend to store there it's relatively cheap compared to some other types of storage.

Hosting 10 million git repos is easy, getting users to pay for the service is hard.
Yeah. But it's not surprising considering the site is being run by a VC fund.
Host 10m, add a feature that 10k need. Charge each customer enough to cover the 999 who aren’t willing to pay.
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments or get flamebaity here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(Nearly all such generalizations about HN users are just sample bias anyhow.)

Because nothing is free. You don't have to pay for it if it has no value, or you can do it yourself.
Because software companies never charge for features?