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by skrebbel 2610 days ago
Xi Jinping is trying pretty hard.
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Our politicians are more than happy to let the Chinese beta test authoritarian technology on their citizenry before we can deploy the same in what remains of Western democracies.

We criticize them just a little, by principle, but as soon as the tech proves effective at controlling population, we adopt the tech "because it works".

"But at what?", one may ask...

Stalin is 10M deads in the lead.
I thought most of those deaths were indirectly, resulting from agricultural and economic policies and forced relocations and only a relatively (10%) small number of executions?

If you include economic causes, you might need to include the excess mortality of systematically impoverished communities in western nations — and I don’t just mean “PoC in the USA”, as I can point to a UK study claiming the government’s austerity policies since 2010 have caused 120,000 excess deaths: https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/health-and-social-care-...

Also, if those deaths were related to economic policies, you probably have to weigh them by population size.

Obviously that’s still a million executions more than most; I am not defending him, this is just about making it an apples-to-apples comparison.

It looks like something of ~7M from the famines, ~2M from Gulags, ~1M from executions, uncertain number from torture.

Numbers from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet...

I'd say if famines are the cheapest way, many dictators with a genocide mind set would do that if possible.

There's some evidence it was not accidental: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#Genocide_question