[DtnB]

Other religions that have kept their popularity and adherents over the centuries(and much in the past century) have, part, reformed and toned down the significance of these violent mythologies especially in their relevance to doctrine. To assert otherwise seems like arguing in bad faith.

[colordrops]

Yes, you are arguing in very bad faith to ignore the millions dead in the middle east in the last 20 years due to sectarian fighting between abrahamic faiths.

[pmarreck]

Hate to break the news to you, but... https://qr.ae/TWIst4

"...Anti-religion has caused more deaths than religion"

I'm no fan of abrahamic faiths nor religion in general, though. I just try to separate fact from fiction. I'm kept very busy. ;)

[colordrops]

Are you arguing that the middle east would be more violent without religion? I said nothing about secular groups being non violent by the way.

[pmarreck]

I'm arguing that we have no way to tell if religion is simply just the excuse to make war instead of some other tribal us-vs-them mentality, which humans (throughout history, alas) are wont to do

[Fellshard]

Just one.

[colordrops]

The level of discussion in this thread is unfortunate.

[Fellshard]

I get pretty irritated with intentional imprecision, as usually it's attempting to obfuscate what's actually happening. Unidirectional violence from exactly one religion should not be then generalized to a family of religions.