[tomnipotent]

> It is a sign for abysmal factory operations.

Not really. It's just a sign that their paint shop needs some work.

> And the first time pass rate is really bad compared to other OEMs.

For a few weeks in June. Great work taking isolated incidents and generalizing across the board.

[gamblor956]

It wasn't just those few weeks in June. Their first time pass rate, on weekly, monthly, and quarterly basis is really bad compared to other OEMs. A large part of the reason they have a repair parts shortage is because spare parts that would go to existing customers are instead being used to repair newly-built cars before they leave the factory.

Tesla's gotten better at managing their first-time pass rates, but they're still close to the bottom compared to their peers.

[tomnipotent]

> really bad compared to other OEM

Compared to companies that have been in operation for decades, and in some cases a century? Sure, let's make sure to compare all start-ups to entrenched incumbents.

[golfer]

Tesla is not a startup! It's been in business for 18 years.

[tomnipotent]

In the context of the auto industry, it absolutely is.

  Peugeot - 1889
  Daimler - 1890
  Fiat - 1899
  Renault - 1899
  Buick - 1903
  Ford - 1903
  Rolls-Royce - 1904
  General Motors - 1908
  Alfa Romeo - 1910
  Dodge - 1910
  Chevrolet - 1911
  Aston Martin - 1913
  Maserati - 1914
  Mitsubishi - 1917
  Bentley - 1919
  Citroen - 1919
  Chrysler - 1925
  Mercedes-Benz - 1926 (1883 if you include Benz & Cie.)
  Nissan - 1934
  Jaguar - 1935
  Toyota - 1937
  Jeep - 1941
  Ferrari - 1947
  Honda - 1948
  Land Rover - 1948
  Lotus - 1952
  Suzuki - 1956
  Subaru - 1958
  Mini - 1959
  Mazda - 1960
  Tesla - 2003

[hef19898]

And this is explaining why Tesla ignored more than century worth of automotive mass production knowledge again? Because they are a start-up?

[golfer]

Regardless of our disagreements on Tesla -- this is a great list and really interesting to see all these OEMs, in order. Thanks for this good stuff. Upvoted.

I didn't know Peugeot was the oldest of the gang!

[m463]

    Detroit Electric - 1907

The granddaddy of electric cars which out-produced everyone.

Nissan finally caught up in 2010.

Tesla didn't outproduce it until 2012.

[Zanni]

Depends on your definition. I think they qualify as a startup because they're still in their hockey-stick growth phase.

[golfer]

The fires aren't just in the paint shop. They are all around the factory property. Inside and outside. Garbage fires on the lot happen about once a year.

Regardless, you are trying to say that paint shop fires mean they just need a new paint shop. What I'm saying is that their entire manufacturing operation is amateurish compared to the rest of the auto industry.

[_ea1k]

I mean, the BMW plant near here has fires about once a year two, if the last couple of years is a baseline. I'm not convinced that you are proving anything.